http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...-lucerne_x.htm

Lucerne trumps those annoying Buick prejudices
What a fine surprise. Buick has replaced two cars, Park Avenue and LeSabre, with a single big sedan called Lucerne, and it's a honey.

Sure, Buick has had some stinkers over the years, but the 2006 Buick Lucerne is not one of them, inside or out.


Based on the chassis used for Cadillac DTS, Lucerne winds up nicer than the Caddy — more pleasant to drive, more appealing inside, slicker-looking outside.

In fact, Lucerne is among the best big, front-drive sedans on the market. Yes, better in significant ways than Toyota Avalon (Test Drive, Feb. 11, 2005), the standard-setter for the mainstream, big-sedan category.

We won't make this totally a one-vs.-the-other discussion, but some comparisons should be made.

Lucerne's interior is more tasteful and roomier than Avalon's. The trunk is bigger. The Buick offers an optional V-8 engine, which the Toyota doesn't. Driving Lucerne is a smoother, more pleasing experience. The Buick's automatic transmission is a four-speed instead of the Toyota's modern five-speed, but Lucerne's gearbox is smoother-shifting than Avalon's.

Where Avalon rules is efficiency. It weighs about 400 pounds less, and its 3.5-liter Toyota V-6 puts out 71 horsepower and 21 pounds-feet of torque more than Lucerne's base 3.8-liter V-6. Lucerne needs the optional General Motors Northstar V-8 to outdo the Avalon's V-6 power ratings.

Avalon's fuel-economy rating is better. In government tests, it gets 25 mpg in combined city-highway driving. Lucerne's V-6 is 22, and the V-8 is 20. The Buick V-8 needs premium fuel to get the advertised horsepower. The Toyota and Buick V-6 engines use regular.

To properly regard Lucerne, we need to address three prejudices.

• Detroit models have inferior quality.

Get over that one, folks, especially in this case. Buick outscores Toyota, Honda and some other highly regarded brands in J.D. Power and Associates' surveys.

Power's 2005 tally of things gone wrong the first 90 days of ownership showed the Buick brand was fourth, behind Lexus, Jaguar and BMW and ahead of Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz and Toyota.

Buick also places fourth in Power's 2005 study of problems with 3-year-old vehicles behind Lexus, Porsche and Lincoln.

• Toyota can do no wrong.

Get over that one, too. The 2005 Avalon was recalled last year, its first on the market, because somebody forgot to weld the steering mechanism together on some cars, meaning the driver might not be able to steer, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The auto industry, in its frenzy of cost-cutting that's become corner-cutting, has sunk back into the first-year bugs of the old days, so Lucerne could have some teething problems, too. So far, though, NHTSA files show no complaints, investigations or recalls involving Lucerne, on sale since October.

• Buicks are fogey cars.

Man, are you out of touch. No, Buick's not a young, hip brand like Scion. But it has a high-performance heritage that is decades old and is being renewed in Lucerne. There's even a sports Lucerne model, CXS, that has bigger wheels, tires and brakes than the others and a firmer suspension for more agile handling.

One trade-off of the big wheels is a 44-foot turning circle diameter, as big as a full-size pickup. That makes it clumsy in some parking lots.

Yes, Buick has had stinkers. But the 1953 Skylark convertible and the 1971 boat-tail Riviera are collectible classics. The 1960s Wildcats offered enough power to spin the tires almost at will. Grand National and GNX turbocharged models of the '80s were blisteringly quick. More recently, supercharged 3.8-liter V-6s have been punchy enough to substitute for V-8s.

And since when are a comfortable ride and pleasant amenities bad things? Been in a Mercedes-Benz lately? Or a big BMW or Lexus? Buicks by another name.

Let's just enjoy the marvelous package Lucerne is.

The V-8 model, powered by a 275-horsepower version of the 4.6-liter Northstar engine used in Cadillacs, is more fun than the model with the 3.8-liter V-6. But the 197-horsepower V-6 is no dog. It's just that the mildly tuned Northstar seems right in the Lucerne, giving it the kind of oomph that once made large Detroit sedans such marvels of quick comfort.

The V-8 gurgles and growls softly, reinforcing your impression that the car will do about what you ask it to with your right foot. The V-6 sounds and feels a bit coarser, but is more than adequately powerful.

Inside, back-seat leg and knee space are adult-size. And the car is wide enough that three child seats can be strapped across the back seat, not just two. Or, if you hook your kid seat in the middle of the back, there's room on either side for grownups (as long as they don't make a living playing in the NFL).

Interior trim, fabric, controls, the way parts fit together are all premium. Front seats are comfortable without requiring the tinkering that some chairs need to fit you right. Proper driving position is easy to find.

Lucerne wraps the goodies in a smoothly drawn body. You have to accept the Buick tradition of portholes, though. The V-8 model has four on each side of the hood; the V-6, three. They are faux vents, meant to suggest exhaust outlets. Some folks will think they're stupid. But they've always been a Buick signature.

Lucerne might not be for you, but if you decide that ahead of time, powered by prejudice, you're cheating yourself.

2006 Buick Lucerne

•What is it? Full-size, front-wheel-drive, four-door sedan replacing the Park Avenue and LeSabre. Lucerne is based on the chassis used for the Cadillac DTS, is available with V-6 or V-8 engine and is manufactured at General Motors' Detroit Hamtramck Assembly plant. Buick sees it as a direct rival to Toyota Avalon.

•How soon? On sale since October.

•How much? CX V-6 base model starts at $25,990 including $725 destination charge. CXL V-6 starts at $27,990. CXL V-8 starts at $29,990. CXS V-8 sports model starts at $34,990.

Expect to pay close to full window-sticker price, online car-shopping sites say.

•What's with the name? Lucerne is a Swiss state and the name of Safeway grocery products. It is presumed Buick was keying on the former.

•What's the powertrain? 3.8-liter V-6 rated 197 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, 227 pounds-feet of torque at 3,800 rpm. Optional: 4.6-liter Northstar V-8 rated 275 hp at 5,600 rpm, 290 lbs.-ft. at 4,400 rpm. Both engines come with four-speed automatic transmission and traction control.

•What's the safety gear? Front, front-occupant side-impact, and front and rear head-curtain air bags; anti-lock brakes.

•What's the rest? Standard features include: air conditioning; power steering, brakes, locks, windows, mirrors, driver's seat; AM/FM/CD stereo; cruise control; rear-window defroster; remote-control locks; tilt-adjustable steering column; auto on/off headlights; OnStar telecommunications system with one-year free service. Other features vary by model. More information is available at www.Buick.com.

•How big? Full size; 6 inches longer, 1 inch wider than Toyota Avalon, weighs roughly 400 pounds more, has more room inside and a bigger trunk.

Lucerne is 203.2 inches long, 73.8 inches wide, 58 inches tall on a 115.6-inch wheelbase. Passenger space is listed as 108 cubic feet, trunk as 17 cubic feet. Weight ranges from 3,764 to 4,013 pounds, depending on model. Rated to tow 1,000 pounds.

•How thirsty? V-6 is rated 19 mpg in town, 28 on the highway. V-8 is 17/26. Regular grade gasoline is specified for the V-6; premium is required to get advertised power ratings in the V-8, but it will safely burn regular, GM says.

V-6 test car's trip computer showed 17.6 mpg around town. V-8 showed 15.6 around town.

•Overall: Watch your back, Toyota.

 

Refreshingly positive writeup about a nice car.

One thing I'm puzzled about, though, is the premium requirement for the Northstar. Is that true? I thought the revised Caddy Northstar several years ago managed to maintain its power ratings but only required regular, even in the 300 hp versions. I thought for sure the 275 hp versions only needed regular to reach full power.

Perhaps they switched from "premium required" to "recommended", and that is what I am thinking of.

 

Good write up

 

Toyota can nevah lose!

 

Toyota builds a great car, I haven't driven a Lucerne but I sat in a few of them at the auto show it was a nice car. One of the best GM offers right now.

 

It's considered recommended more or less rather than required, according to the owner's manual, by saying to use premium when possible but also saying that you can run 87 octane as well with slower acceleration and possible knocking.

 

Ditto. A very nice car.

 

Lucerne isn't my type of car.

Avalon is even less so.

Guess that means Lecerne wins.

 

"Where Avalon rules is efficiency. It weighs about 400 pounds less, and its 3.5-liter Toyota V-6 puts out 71 horsepower and 21 pounds-feet of torque more than Lucerne's base 3.8-liter V-6. Lucerne needs the optional General Motors Northstar V-8 to outdo the Avalon's V-6 power ratings."

Avalon's 3.5L V6 provides similar acceleration to the Lucerne's Northstar V8 albeit with better gas milage and a lower cost of purchase. The 3800 is flat-out laughable in a competetive sense. Sure, if you're an old fogey who couldn't possibly give a damn about the motor then it's a pointless discussion, but still, they can't get the HF V6 and 6-speed auto into that car soon enough.

The Lucerne is a nice looking car on the outside, kinda antiquated looking (relative to the other models on the market right now) IMO on the inside but still well engineered.

Fully loaded it comes in just a hair under 40 grand which to me is approaching a territory it can't compete very well in.


"Based on the chassis used for Cadillac DTS"
That's a nice way of referring to a chassis that dates back to a no longer in production 1995 Oldsmobile.

 

I just went to Toyota's site and built a basically loaded Avalon that was $38,500. About what a loaded Lucerne costs. Also, strangely, the build your own site lists the base price of the Limited at $34,4xx (with destination), but then you are apparently required to choose option package A, B, C, or D. A is the cheapest at $650 (Stability control), so it looks like the Limited really bases at $35k. But anyway, loaded they are pretty similarly priced.

The Avalon's V6 is indeed more fuel efficient, and I think even a little quicker, than the V8 Lucerne. But it won't sound nearly as nice, won't offer the low end step off, and believe it or not, some people just want a car with a V8 (for those two reasons, among others). The V8 could be a 3.5L with way less HP than an equivalent 6, but all they know is that is has a V8. I've never heard a V6, ohc or ohv, that sounds as good as a Northstar (or any other V8).

I agree that I'd like to see the HFV6/six speed auto in this car, but Scott has posted before about the loyal following the 3800 has among many Buick clients. Remember that the LeSabre has been the best selling full size car for years, with the 3800 as the ONLY option. Now they can have that option if they want it (and honestly, 0-60 in 8.x seconds is more than plenty for 99% of the people who would buy these types of cars), or they can step up to the V8.

IMHO, there is no contest as to which car is prettier. The Avalon is just an awkward looking car (and the new Camry took that look and somehow made it worse). As for the interiors, I like the Lucerne's, but I'm not head over heels in love with it. But I'm not crazy about the Avalon's either, especially the alumilook trim and various doors all over the center stack and console.

As for the chassis dating back to the Aurora, I think we've covered that topic in a thread or two before (and noted that the Japanese will use and update an existing chassis/floorpan, as well).

 

Threxx as usual you hit the nail on the head. The Lucerne is a very nice car, but wayyy overpriced. However, the real question is what is your out the door cost on a Lucerne with the V8? Probably closer to 31grand.

 

Is the $38,5xx Avalon I just built "wayyy overpriced" then?

A CXL V8 starts at ~$31k MSRP, iirc. The sportier/touring oriented CXS (V8 only) starts closer to $35k (same as the Avalon limited). Adding the rest of the options to either one, and they come out closer to $40k. Why is the Buick so overpriced?



(I mean, hey, I think most new cars are crazy expensive, so I buy used typically, but I'm talking about in the relative sense here)

EDIT: I just built a Lucerne CXS with all the options clicked and it came to $37485. The big (not to me, but to some) feature that it lacks, as far as I can tell, relative to the Avalon is a nav system. So the $38,5xx Avalon will get you that vs. the $37485 Lucerne.

Both seem to be very closely priced IMO, give or take a few bucks.

 

I meant overpriced for what you'll pay, I should have been more specific. GM discounts their cars ridiculous amounts in order to sell them so they're asking 38k for a car thats probably worth about 33 or 32 and it'll sell for probably closer to 31 or 32k.

 

It's about time a US brand car got some praise over the *** stuff.

 

I wouldn't have expected a different response.