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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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UAW says concessions would be a "huge mistake"

So who is going to win this battle?


DETROIT (Reuters) - The head of the United Auto Workers union said Thursday its leaders were "not confident" that General Motors Corp. needs concessions from its hourly work force to return to profitability.

Setting the stage for a possible confrontation, the union's leadership also warned that it would be "a huge mistake" for GM to take any unilateral actions affecting the health-care benefits of the UAW workers who build its cars and trucks.

"We need to know exactly what the financial condition of the organization is," UAW President Ron Gettelfinger told WWJ news radio in Detroit.

"If you look right now, the stockholders' equity is up, they're paying dividends, they've got a huge cash reserve, so we're not confident at this juncture that we need to do anything," he said.

Gettelfinger's remarks, suggesting that the UAW might withdraw previous offers to work together with GM to cut its massive health-care costs, came a day after he told the New York Times the automaker had failed to convince him about the severity of its financial situation.

In a statement issued after his comments to the Detroit radio station, however, Gettelfinger and Richard Shoemaker, the UAW vice president in charge of GM negotiations, said they were still prepared to work with the company to find "mutually agreeable ways to reduce costs in health care and other areas."

GM (Research), which posted a $1.1 billion first-quarter loss and saw its debt rating cut to high-yield or "junk" status last month, has said it urgently needs to slash spending on health care, expected to total nearly $6 billion this year.

The company has been in talks for weeks with the UAW about rolling back the health-care benefits of union workers. But while sources familiar with the situation say GM wants a deal by June 30, local UAW officials say that deadline is unachievable.
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"We recognize this process may not be moving as quickly as some people might like. But we firmly believe that it is far more important to do things the right way than to rush to meet unrealistic expectations," the statement by Gettelfinger and Shoemaker said.

The union leaders reiterated that they won't reopen the UAW's current labor contract with GM. Doing so would allow for more sweeping changes in health care and other benefits beyond those permitted under the confines of the current labor agreement, which isn't due to expire until September 2007.

GM is the nation's leading private provider of health care, covering 1.1 million workers, retirees and family members.

Company Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner suggested he was prepared to cut health-care costs, with or without the UAW's approval, in a speech at GM's annual meeting last week.

But Wall Street analysts say unilateral action by GM is highly unlikely since it would almost certainly result in a strike at a time when GM is preparing to launch important new additions to its vehicle lineup.

The year 1998 was the last time the UAW launched a major work stoppage against GM.

"We ... firmly believe that it is in the best interests of all GM stakeholders for the UAW and GM to work together on these issues and to maintain the solid working relationship that we have worked so hard to build since 1998," Gettelfinger and Shoemaker said in their statement.

A GM spokesman declined to comment, saying the company had nothing to add about its position on health care and its discussions with the UAW beyond what Wagoner said in his speech last week.
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 09:54 PM
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**** the UAW. Their members don't pay anything for medical compared to most other people. Terms of your job change, if you don't like it, go work elsewhere.

I see a strike coming, and it being a long nasty one.
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by grossesexy
**** the UAW. Their members don't pay anything for medical compared to most other people. Terms of your job change, if you don't like it, go work elsewhere.

I see a strike coming, and it being a long nasty one.
i agree
didn't they just say like a week ago, they'd talk of concessions, now all of a sudden it's a "huge mistake"? kinda fishy
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 11:28 PM
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I'd rather have a job with less benefits than no job.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 01:18 AM
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They need to know the organizations financial situation?

Bull****, thats like me going into my table waiting job and asking people for proof of employement before I serve them and get tipped.

You get what the **** I give you or you get it from somewhere else. Of course its not that simple for GM, but they got themselves into this.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 02:39 AM
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UAW didnt say concessions were a huge mistake.

UAW said it would be "a huge mistake" for GM to take any unilateral actions affecting the health-care benefits.

There will be concessions, no doubt about it. However GM just cant say screw the contract your costs are going up.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 02:47 AM
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reason number 1246 why i am against unions
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by steves
I'd rather have a job with less benefits than no job.
That's because you're non-union.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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the days of the automotive union having such great power are certainly numbered. i'm willing to bet that within 20 years time companies that cannot rid their unions of such power will either start making more cars overseas or they won't exhist anymore. a long time? sure, but these things tend to draw themselves out.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 07:36 AM
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The actual title of the article read like this:

UAW: labor concessions 'huge mistake'-
Union 'not confident' GM needs labor concessions to return to profitability, points to cash reserve.
If G.M. sticks to it's guns something is going to happen. The media seems to thinks G.M. will back down, but I guess we will find out soon enough.
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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UAW: labor concessions 'huge mistake'-
Union 'not confident' GM needs labor concessions to return to profitability, points to cash reserve.
So basically, when GM has cancelled all new vehicle programs and is totally out of money and unsalvagable, the UAW will then agree to taking on more health care costs?
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by anasazi
the days of the automotive union having such great power are certainly numbered. i'm willing to bet that within 20 years time companies that cannot rid their unions of such power will either start making more cars overseas or they won't exhist anymore. a long time? sure, but these things tend to draw themselves out.
The unions are already at that point.

Look at the number of assembly workers in the auto industry today compared to yesterday. That's not so much due to exporeted jobs as to the amazing increase in efficiency today versus the 70s. It takes far fewer workers far fewer hours to put together a car today than in the union's last heyday 30 or so years ago. And it's only going to get worse.

Think about this for a minute: US, Canada, and Mexico are under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Out auto industry has plants in all 3 countries.

In Mexico labor is cheap all around, but that's tempered by the amount of money that automakers have to spend on essentially creating their own infrastructure.

Canada has socialized medicine That means there is about ZERO cost to the automaker regarding employed and retired workers. Combine this with a infrastructure thats actually better than here in the US and wages that are actually somewhat lower than the US.

Then you have the US. Not only are wages relatively high (and I'm not saying they aren't earned), but automakers provide all health coverage to all active and retired workers. It's easy to see who's at a disadvantage, and the UAW should recognize that. Especially if the rest of the company is paying 27% of their health care coverage, the national average is 30%, and they are paying 7%.


I understand their position, that they DIDN'T cause GM decline, that they are making the best cars possible with what they are given to work with (they are the people who engineer parts that don't hold up or hold together), and that it's hard to accept any cuts when the people who actually are responsible (or even in a few instances had a direct hand in) GM's current problems are getting bonuses. Especially when across town, your arch rival's CEO is forgoing ALL PAY till the company turn's around. Furthermore, GM is exaggerating the role health care expenses are playing in their current financial woes. I don't blame them for wanting to dig in, and take on GM management. Not at all.

But they have to realize that only the military has better health care coverage. The rest of the population pays 30%, not 7. Sure, a 27% of a $5,000 operation is going to hit a $50,000 per year assembly worker than a $800,000 per year marketing executive, but this is where negotiations come into play.

IMO, if the UAW agreed to a 15% across the board (including retirees) health co-pay, that would probally give everyone what they are after.

It's still far lower than national average, so the UAW still has something to brag about. Most of all health care costs are from those who are very elderly, and government (state & federal) health care coverage is also available, so GM gets to save far more than they would simply insisting on active UAW members pay 27%. UAW workers who perhaps don't make over $75,000 per year aren't hit harder than the $100,000+ management in covering their own health care costs.

Of course, everyone has to posture, and look tough to either stockholders or the rank & file, so neither side is likely to seriously come to any deal till one side or the other cracks.

So, stock up on the popcorn.
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