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Old Jan 29, 2010 | 10:19 PM
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Toyota sends gas pedals to factories, not dealers

DETROIT (AP) -- The Associated Press has learned that Toyota is sending new gas pedal systems to car factories rather than dealerships who want the parts to take care of millions of customers whose pedals may stick.

Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons confirms information in a company e-mail obtained by the AP that says parts were shipped to factories. Lyons says that's how the company normally distributes parts.

But some dealers say they should get the parts first because they now have no way to fix the pedals on any of the 4.2 million recalled vehicles affecting eight U.S. models.

Toyota has halted production and sales of the models, including the best-selling Camry sedan.

Lyons said Toyota did not send the parts to dealers because it has not decided whether to have the systems in the recalled vehicles repaired or replaced.

The company on Thursday presented a remedy to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, and it is awaiting a decision before proceeding.

"We're not ready to launch this program yet," Lyons said, adding that letters must be sent to customers whose vehicles were recalled and service technicians must be trained on whatever solution the company ultimately decides.

He said he did not know if any parts had been shipped from factories to parts depots, which is the next step in the process, but dealerships don't have them.

Engineers and other workers were up all night Thursday getting the process ready, he said.

The company has said its highest priority is fixing the pedals for existing customers.

"Nothing is more important to Toyota than doing the right thing for our customers -- and restoring their confidence in the safety of our vehicles," Toyota said in a statement.

But dealers and customers were unhappy with the delays in getting parts.

Earl Stewart, owner of a Toyota dealership in North Palm Beach, Fla., said his service technicians might not know the details of how to fix the gas pedal systems, but they know to install new ones, and the parts should have gone to dealers rather than factories.

"That's absolutely stupid," he said. "It makes no sense at all."

He said Toyota may be trying to save money by using a less-expensive repair on the millions of vehicles that already have been sold, and using the new parts to restart factories that have been closed while it irons out the problem.

"That just doesn't wash well with the customers out there driving these vehicles," he said. "I think at this point you throw cost to the wind and do everything you can to rebuild your brand and your image."

Toyota owners were both confused about what to do with their cars and angry that they didn't have any answers on when a fix would be available.

"I've got a $30,000 vehicle and they don't know how to fix it," said Johnathan Jones, a 30-year-old salesman from Fort Mitchell, Ala., who said he won't put his 10-year-old twins in his 2009 Toyota Tundra. "To me, it's a big safety hazard with my children."

The U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is launching an investigation into the problems with Toyota's accelerator pedal systems. It has scheduled a Feb. 4 hearing entitled, "Toyota Gas Pedals: Is the Public at Risk?"

AP Writer Ken Thomas contribued to this report from Washington.
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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 07:04 AM
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It doesn't make sense (to me) to send 'fixed' parts to factories if they've halted production of the affected vehicles?
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 07:49 AM
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It doesn't make sense (to me) to send 'fixed' parts to factories if they've halted production of the affected vehicles?

Sounds to me like they are more concerned with getting the factories back up and running than with helping the millions of owners who have already spent their money on their faulty product.
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 08:48 AM
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What gets me is, I REALLY don't think this it the fix. I honestly believe its a software glitch in the DBW throttle. This pedal recall is going to cost a ton, but I don't think its the real issue...
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
Sounds to me like they are more concerned with getting the factories back up and running than with helping the millions of owners who have already spent their money on their faulty product.
That can't be true..


"Nothing is more important to Toyota than doing the right thing for our customers -- and restoring their confidence in the safety of our vehicles," Toyota said in a statement.
I guess they forgot to put in a footnote "except re-starting production"

Old Jan 30, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
What gets me is, I REALLY don't think this it the fix. I honestly believe its a software glitch in the DBW throttle. This pedal recall is going to cost a ton, but I don't think its the real issue...
I 100% agree with you .
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
What gets me is, I REALLY don't think this it the fix. I honestly believe its a software glitch in the DBW throttle. This pedal recall is going to cost a ton, but I don't think its the real issue...
I kinda wonder if they are doing this to shift some blame to a supplier, and while they are replacing the gas pedals they'll quietly update the ECU.

I'm thinking if it was really an issue with the bushing in the pedal, they'd have a warranty history of people bringing their cars in for "slow to return" pedals.
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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I kinda wonder if they are doing this to shift some blame to a supplier, and while they are replacing the gas pedals they'll quietly update the ECU.
Bingo. The problem is that they have new pedals ready to go - but the new pedals won't fix the problem. The software fix isn't ready yet, so they can't give the dealers the pedals without admitting the problem is elsewhere, or else cars would be "fixed" next week and within days the problem would reappear.

There is still more to this than meets the eye. Every other company with drive by wire uses a pedal and does not have this problem. The failure mode protection to stop this from happening must be an incredible process that is very costly and time consuming. And Toyota must have skipped part of it to cut costs.
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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maybe just an expensive way for them to cover up the fact that it is a problem in the software....

we will never know what they are really doing in there... just be glad we drive domestic cars.
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
Sounds to me like they are more concerned with getting the factories back up and running than with helping the millions of owners who have already spent their money on their faulty product.
, There is no money in fixing cars Toyota already sold.
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 11:02 AM
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Are they really sending pedals? This morning I heard on the news that the actual fix is a shim. So I guess Toyota decided to take a little piece of plastic and slide it between the pedal and the return spring and you're good to go!
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 01:39 PM
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a little piece of plastic
They're calling it a "precision cut steel reinforcement bar"

Old Feb 1, 2010 | 02:33 PM
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They're calling it a "precision cut steel reinforcement bar"

I wonder if they picked them up a Home Depot in the Plumbing aisle?
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