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Old Sep 1, 2009 | 11:54 PM
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While I didn't want to partake in this thread... the link below shows a definite contrast in corporate attitudes between Toyota (market leader), Holden and Ford here in Oz...

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25762000084A15

Btw, our family has two Toyotas, FWIW.
Old Sep 2, 2009 | 06:43 AM
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Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone else for anything. To wit, I could sue the Pope for fathering me and providing me what is rightfully mine. Prevailing in a court of competent jurisdiction and winning any sort of award is another matter altogether.

Conviction in the Court of Public Opinion without evidence is one of the great failures of today's society.
Old Sep 3, 2009 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat Steve
... Conviction in the Court of Public Opinion without evidence is one of the great failures of today's society.
You're absolutely right. Look what happened to American auto makers. Even with some stupid moves on their part, it was a lot of "public opinion" that kept them from pushing iron even after they started producing world quality cars.
Old Sep 4, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by R377
Two wrongs don't make a right. Perhaps Toyota deliberately destroyed or concealed evidence; we don't know for sure. But we do know that the lawyer betrayed lawyer-client privilege, and that is definitely wrong. I personally believe in adhering to established laws, and that circumventing them for a 'moral convenience' is a slippery slope that we don't want to start down on.


basically you like to follow rules that someone or a group of people came up with and not think on your own about what's right or wrong. As long as it is in a piece of paper that is considered the law.. it should be ok.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Old Sep 4, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 25thTA
You're absolutely right. Look what happened to American auto makers. Even with some stupid moves on their part, it was a lot of "public opinion" that kept them from pushing iron even after they started producing world quality cars.
Couldn't agree anymore!
Old Sep 4, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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So, because the lawyer signed a paper it gives Toyota the right to keep selling cars to people that think they buy a safe product? When in reality it HAS cause deaths.
So if they did what you said should be done, then Ford would've been shut down 30 years ago.....

http://www.angelo.edu/events/univers...84_French.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=AMe...micide&f=false
Old Sep 4, 2009 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
So if they did what you said should be done, then Ford would've been shut down 30 years ago.....

http://www.angelo.edu/events/univers...84_French.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=AMe...micide&f=false
that's just if not even more F'ed up. But let me ask you something. If you are in a position of having to break a contract with FORD... in order for people to KNOW about the pinto... wouldn't you have? Or just because you signed a piece of paper you can't tell people NOT to jump on a pinto. What if you happen to have a friend with a freaking Pinto and he tells you let's go for a ride in my new car. f'ing double standards.... is what i can't stand.

If I work with a company that KNOWS something is wrong with the product that could harm people I will do whatever it takes so people know about it even if i have to break a freaking contract.

People's health and life is MORE important than money.
Old Sep 4, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jcamere94z28
that's just if not even more F'ed up. But let me ask you something. If you are in a position of having to break a contract with FORD... in order for people to KNOW about the pinto... wouldn't you have? Or just because you signed a piece of paper you can't tell people NOT to jump on a pinto. What if you happen to have a friend with a freaking Pinto and he tells you let's go for a ride in my new car. f'ing double standards.... is what i can't stand.

If I work with a company that KNOWS something is wrong with the product that could harm people I will do whatever it takes so people know about it even if i have to break a freaking contract.

People's health and life is MORE important than money.
Old Sep 4, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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I seem to remember an incident where a major news media (abc,cbs,nbc) rigged a remote ignition of a gm truck side crash to cause a fuel tank rupture and fire. Oh, that's OK. I will never understand why some Americans hate the detroit_3 so much. You never see articles on toyota or honda from the left major media with regard to engineering mistakes. No worry, the detroit_3 is dead now, so, all of America can now buy honda and toyota. I will never own a japanese or german brand because they suck. B.
Old Sep 5, 2009 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mzgp5x
I seem to remember an incident where a major news media (abc,cbs,nbc) rigged a remote ignition of a gm truck side crash to cause a fuel tank rupture and fire. Oh, that's OK. I will never understand why some Americans hate the detroit_3 so much. You never see articles on toyota or honda from the left major media with regard to engineering mistakes. No worry, the detroit_3 is dead now, so, all of America can now buy honda and toyota. I will never own a japanese or german brand because they suck. B.
It was NBC on a program called Dateline.
Old Sep 5, 2009 | 01:53 PM
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And they were taken to task for rigging the demo forcing them to make an on-air apology. It tainted their credibility & I'm sure that there are people today that view any story they air as suspect.
Old Sep 5, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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And they were taken to task for rigging the demo forcing them to make an on-air apology. It tainted their credibility & I'm sure that there are people today that view any story they air as suspect.
I am sure there are 99% of the people out there have no idea that it happened even if you showed them proof..

this BULL SH*T is what got us where we are today..to this day I still not have heard any of this on any local station..

but god..every breaking news segment about Ford and its tire problems was on every 5 min.

were talking about the structural safty of a car vs. getting new tires..WTF..

This is utter crap..I thought this would be on the bigger national news more than it was..just web...
Old Sep 6, 2009 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by R377
I'm quite certain that every large corporation does this very same thing to some extent. It's just natural to not want to divulge information that is going to cost you millions. The only reason this got out was because a lawyer betrayed his legal obligations to his former employer ... to be honest, I think I'm more on Toyota's side on this one.
Do you know what a whistle blower is?
Old Sep 10, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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REPORT: Toyota whistleblower lawsuit may spur even more legal action against automake

We knew this was coming. When one time Toyota lawyer Dimitrios Biller filed a federal racketeering suit alleging that the Japanese automaker withheld evidence in several rollover suits, it was pretty obvious that lawyers would want to reopen past suits in light of the claims. Biller's suit alleges that Toyota withheld electronic evidence (emails) in over 300 rollover cases, and it states that evidence was destroyed by the company in spite of his efforts to secure the data. The suit also alleges that Toyota withheld design and test data for vehicle roofs, and that some vehicles on the road today don't meet roof safety standards.

Texas attorney Todd Tracy appears to be the fist to jump in, as he is reportedly planning to refile 15 rollover, frontal-impact and rear-impact suits against Toyota. Tracy told Automotive News that many past suits will come into question again if Biller's allegations turn out to be true, and he plans to re-file his six-year-old lawsuits, adding that he couldn't imagine Biller making up very specific facts "without having some ammo backing him up." Tracy actually opposed Biller in several Toyota cases, too, so he knows something about the lawyer and his work with Toyota.

Toyota has released a brief release (after the jump) addressing the issue, and spokesman Mike Michels says the company is mainly concerned with what it calls a breach of attorney-client privilege. Toyota added in a court filing that Biller, "intends to use this action as an excuse and new avenue for gaining some perceived leverage against [Toyota]." Toyota also added in its filing that Biller has tried on several occasions to reveal the company's private information. Toyota is currently trying to seal the contents of Biller's suit, though the documents are still public.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:24 PM
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and do we still see this anywhere???

no but a lot of GM bashing on the web for thier "may the best car win" campaign.

Should start posting this on those forums presenting the GM idea..and countering with what Toyota did..just sickens me how we have kicked our own butts in.
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