Sky is going to be a 4 seater as well. Seems only Solstice will be a 2 seater.

Most of a vehicle's weight is what's added to the structure, ie: suspension, drivetrain, etc. I suspect that the increased weight comes from actually having to build the car with off the shelf parts from GMs RWD cars (most likely the revised V-car/Sigma) than anything else.

Remember, the concept was cobbled together from an old J-body chassis with parts from Subaru, and Aztek's versi-track rear end among other things. The production car will have to be more durable than the concept, and it's going to have to be pretty cheap to sell in the low $20,000 range.

 

I worked off your instructions pretty closely and came up with the following. I also added a spoiler. I had higher hopes for it, but I just can't get it down right for some reason. Looks sort of doofy and unprogressive, but may have possibilities:

http://ohok.com/opelgtf5.jpg

any opinions welcome.. I'm ready for the hurl icon to be used.

 

It's great to fantasize, but I hope no one here actually believes that GM is going to use the same skin from the Opel as for a production Camaro!

If Camaro is based on the same chassis as the Opel, it will follow the same path as the Malibu over the Vectra. Like the Malibu Vectra twins, it'll may have the same chassis, drivetrain & components as the Opel, but will have an entirely and completely different skin and interior.

The next GTO and Monaro will have different skins although they will be the same car (another item directly from Bob Lutz...the best source of leaks at GM ), so it's a safe bet Camaro will be the same way if it shares innards with Opel, or Solstice, or Bengal, or Sky!

 

March issue of Automobile magazine reported that sky will instead be a 2 seater, Bengal may have a back seat.

To answer the question about the tubular chassis the article explained it is a lightweight space frame (im guessing similar to saturn/fiero). The weight of the solstice will be less than the 2900 mentioned because of this,could be 2300-2600 lbs (will depend on whether plastic or steel is used for body panels). A v8 bengal,sky or solstice would be faster than a current Corvette due to the trio's huge weight advantage.

A spaceframe can be easily be widened or lengthened to accomodate other models. Also can handle a v8, it is a very rigid platform-5 star crash rating. Good move GM, hopefully other sports cars will see this chassis.

 

WAAAAYYYY too retro. That IS a secon gen. I want a modern looking 5th gen, not something that is so heavy with styling cues that it looks nearly like an older generation. I want someone to take that picture, make what they think would be a modern looking 5th gen, then add in cues later, not the other way around. You have some good work in that pic, and I congratulate you for that, but I just want something...new.

 

Kizz!

Damned fine! I think that it does a great job of showing how the car could morph into a Camaro using the 2nd generation styling cues.

Ignore the critics, it was great work. It screams "CAMARO".


K, there's a second gen off the GT platform.

Anybody want to step up and try a 1st, 3rd and 4th gen now? Maybe do their ultimate Camaro off it?

 

I still say that not a single body panel on that car resembels a camaro so it would have to be a whole new design and not just a quick Photoshop job(not that there is anything wrong with the white car).

 

Kizz! I agree with PacerX .... fine job! Yes, it looks 2nd generation, but that looks great in this case ...

Ted

 

thanks for the compliments.. it was a 30 minute paint shop pro job, so not too bad eh I agree that there's not really a whole lot about the sheet metal that screams camaro, but then again I feel exactly the same about the 4th gen.. it doesn't scream camaro (to me) either. I'm disappointed with the black-insert headlights bu they look good enough and I couldn't come up with anything else photorealistic in a short time. Too lazy to get into a 1st/3rd/4th design at the moment, but I'd love to see others' attempts.

 

If they did platform share, I'd have no problem. SO LONG AS IT LOOKS AND DRIVES LIKE A BORN IN THE USA CAMARO. Otherwise it's not a Camaro. End of story. In the looks and motor department, the Opel shares next to nothing in common with our beloved f-body.

So it is a bit worrying - if you think of it from the perspective of the new GTO. Nice car, but essentially a rebadge of an existing car. In all fairness, if the GTO had not gone away when it did, maybe it would have evolved into something at least resembling the Monaro. Who knows where styling would have taken it? But the Camaro is different... the 4th gen is still 'fresh' in our minds and to rebadge some heavily Euro styled existing vehicle as a 5th gen. Camaro would be massively wrong for so many reasons. I for one would not pay a dime such a car. But if the platform underpinnings are a good match, then by all means use it as the basis for the 5th gen.

 

F-body? What F-body?

 

as stated before bring it here GM...just bring it here....I dont care if its from antoher country..it IS GM.. OPEL is GM..who cares..just get somethign over here to have a GM car thats fun to drive...if its Camaro fine..if its :

Chevys new Chocolate Chip Cookie GT fine..I dont care..just bring it...

 

So would you be pissed off if it drove like a 350Z with an LS1?

 

***PacerX shakes his head in shame....***

Allright you primitive screwheads, listen up....

GM would never copy the sheetmetal exactly. If there's going to be a Camaro, it'll look like a Camaro (whatever that ACTUALLY means... compact coupe? Gen 1 and Gen 2.... compact hatchback? Gen 3 and Gen 4, apart from that Firebire/TA coupe... convertible? Gen 1, half of Gen 3, all of Gen 4.... 2 headlights per side or 1?... Maybe one that looks like 2.... Or 2 that look like 1....).

As long as it isn't as long as a Caprice and have 3 foot overhangs....

And as far as most of the underpinnings go, 90% of hard-core Camaro folks would never notice anyway.

Are any of you aware that the 2nd/3rd generation Camaros and the CHEVETTE shared seat frames? Do you care? NO. You didn't care 30 years ago, and you don't care now.

Holy buckets...

I would PREFER if GM managed to figure out a way to make the suspension world-class AND share it across the 5 platforms in question. Why? Because then the aftermarket will get more involved and the price of parts will come down.

Seat frame - you'd never notice anyway.

Brakes - unlikely on a Z28/SS.

Suspension components - good chance (apart from swaybars and springs).

Rear diff - I hope so. A 4.xx 4-cylinder gear in a V8.... BWAHAHAHA!

Alternator - who cares?

Transmissions - probably not, if Camaro gets a V8.

Driveshaft - I doubt it if the Camaro is the only V8.

Parking brake - YAWN. You'd never care yourself - half of you own automatics anyway.

Steering wheels/columns - Yes. Apart from the center section.




Yeeesh.....


Take your jaded Camaro glasses off and realize the possibilities.

We're looking at what could be an ~3200 lbs. car, with a V8 up front and seating for 2 people and 2 amputees - just how we like it.

Methinks the best thing we can do is start putting whatever pressure on GM we can (which isn't much) to encourage them to BUILD A CAMARO ON THIS PLATFORM.

 

Nope, not at all . I didn't mean for that comment to be taken too literally. I mean I want an American car that is unashamed of it's muscle car family roots and reflects that in it's styling and presence. Of course it also needs to have the kind of enigneering advances, build quality and handling that a successful volume performance car designed and built in in the 21st century should reasonably be expected to possess.

Anyway, the 4th gen Camaro actually handles well and is quite predictable. I do think IRS for the 5th gen is a must in this day and age to satisfy the mass market and compete against competitors like the 350Z, RX8 and whatever else the import segment brings out.