Those times you posted are really funny and biased. Now lets get some times from another site.

67:----------------0-60--------1/4 Mile------------------
Chevy Camaro Z28 6.7sec. 13.75@105MPH 302ci/290HP
Chevy Camaro Z28 6.9sec. 14.85@101MPH 302ci/290HP
Chevy Camaro SS L35 6.0sec. 14.50@99MPH 396ci/325HP

68:
Chevy Camaro Z28 5.5sec. 13.75@107MPH 302ci/290HP
Chevy Camaro RS/SS 6.6sec. 15.00@94MPH 396ci/325HP

69:
Chevy Camaro Z28 7.3sec. 14.34@101.4MPH 302ci/290HP
Chevy Camaro Z28 7.4sec. 15.12@94.8MPH 302ci/290HP
Chevy Camaro SS L78 6.8sec. 13.00@108.6MPH 396ci/375HP
Chevy Camaro SS L78 6.8sec. 14.70@98.7MPH 396ci/375HP

 

IZ28,

Most of your stats are repeats of what I posted on page 2 of this thread.

But since we don't have numbers for the top SS Camaros for 1967 (L78) and 1968 (L89), the comparison isn't decisive for those model years.

The 13.75 at 105 mph for the '67 Z28 is anomalous compared to other test results for that car.

The 13.00 at 108.62 was obtained by the 1969 L89 SS396.
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It seems to me that the 4th gen SS, due to its price tag and cachet, just isn't popularly associated with mullets and ballcaps. But the point is meaningless given that few people are aware of the SS and its relation to the Z28 anyway.

 

That's nonsense and Z28 belongs as the top Camaro. Or at least the 1 with better handling or a Z06 or 1LE type car or whatever. If some1 is stupid enough to think SS denotes a higher class of people than a Z28 than well......they are just plain stupid LOL, it's that simple. Z28 meant the most expensive top of the line Camaro for 3/4's or more of the Camaro's history, even in the early years.

And we can talk about magazine tests all we want from whatever sites but they're really just magazine tests. I go to cruise nights/car shows and talk to people that were really there and had the cars new and all I ever hear is the same thing, Z28 was/is the car if you were looking for complete performance, a car that acceled in all categories. (that's what Z28 is and has always been about, not SS) When you were driving along and saw the stripes coming up in your rearview mirror, you had something to think about. They also talk about seeing 302's take out some of the big block cars and dynoing around 400HP. And some of that comes from even M*stang and other muscle owners from way back too. They definetly have more of a following than SS's or any other Camaro, even the ZL1. I've seen SS's made to look like Z28's, but no1 makes a Z28 look like an SS.

 

Sticks and stones, etc. You sound like the alien in Plan 9 From Outer Space.
We're not using list price as a measurement of performance.
You posted magazine test results! Are you backtracking now because they don't show what you want them to show?

In lieu of actual time slips, magazine results are all we have.
Not scientific.
Now you're moving the goal posts from the quarter-mile competition you were so intent on having the Z28 win.

I don't think anyone here is disputing that the Z28 was superior to the SS on the road course. The quarter mile is the controversy.
Based on the test results we have (and extrapolating from the L35 numbers), I wouldn't be worried if I were at the wheel of an L78 or L89 SS396.
Not all big block cars were terribly quick--especially Mustangs.

The Z28 was rarer in the early years, and its status and temperament gave it a race-car mystique, so of course it had a following. But that does not make it quicker in the quarter mile (which is what this tangent of the thread is about).

The Z28 has "more of a following" than the ZL-1 or the Yenko cars ("any other Camaro")? How did you determine this?
You've never seen '93-'02 Z28s made to look like SS Camaros?

 

They get the badges and the hood right, although the aftermarket hoods aren't quite identical, miss the bowties on the 10-spoke wheel hubcap and forget the rear spoiler entirely.

Not to worry, the aftermarket will get the rear spoiler right sooner or later...



"They definetly have more of a following than SS's or any other Camaro, even the ZL1."

#1 silliest thing I have ever read on this board, apart from some of Threxx's stuff.

Sure. A Z28 has the status and awe-inspiring cachet of the FRIGGING 'King of the Muscle Cars', 200 stinking thousand dollar ZL1.

Question:
How many Z28's can one buy for the price of a real-deal ZL1?

Answer:
Nearly all of them.

Hell, I've seen original ZL1 MOTORS ALONE go for $40,000.

 

Why do they have more of a following?? Because ZL1's are out of reach for most people and there was only 69 of them. The only time they come up is when people talk about which was the absolute fastest musclecar. (wasn't exactly factory though) Z28 is the Camaro legend, not the ZL1, it didn't dominate SCCA or stay with the Camaro almost 35 years and through every Gen. And I used the magazine tests as an example but I'd rather believe people that were there. I'm not talking only straightline performance either, I like cars that can do it all and that is the Z28. And I wasn't talking about 4th Gen cars being made to look like SS's, I mean the 1st and early 2nd Gens. 4th owners just want to fix what GM messed up and probably could care less to make it look like an SS, they just want to make it more aggressive since they look like base models. After all, functional induction hoods were introduced on the Z28 while the SS's was decorative. It looks like the 4th Gens' revisionism has a little following.

 

You're kidding me, right? Is that the "new" SS stance now? The...." I can afford to finance an additional $3,500 over six years...and you can't, so I consider myself in a higher socio-ecomomic class" defense.

That's ridiculous. If that's true...then Corvette owners must see SS owners as inbread mutants.

This whole thing is just getting completely over the top.

Look....I just want GM to build me my car. A car I'm willing to give them money for. That's all.

What's so complicated about that?

 

The question was: what makes you think Z28s have "more of a following"?
By the same token, would you say Ferrari's following (or that of any low-volume, high-priced exostic) is negligable?
...and in discussions like this!

The COPO cars were factory. That was the point of the COPO program.
The magazine writers weren't there? Who performed the tests, then? And what do you mean by "example"?
Like I said, you're shifting the debate. But let me add that the '96-'02 SS can probably outhandle the 4th gen Z28.
A cowl induction hood was available on the SS as well as the Z28 for the 1969 model year. I am not aware that any Camaro had functional induction hoods before that.

 

I carefully worded my comment to show that it is what I have observed regarding other people's opinions of the 4th gen Camaro SS. It's hardly a "stance", and it has little to do with the opinions of 4th gen SS owners themselves. In addition, compared to other Camaro generations, the entire 4th gen is, in my experience, almost devoid of mullet-headed interlopers. Price, coupled with rising insurance rates, probably explains this.
What defence? What are you talking about? Where did I say or imply that I was, or other 4th gen SS owners were, in a higher socio-economic class? I was referring to "popular associations"--i.e., what the world at large thinks of these vehicles. You should read posts a little more carefully before you reply to them.
Please explain.
If you don't want to discuss the shape a 5th gen Camaro might take, then who's stopping you? Am I missing something?

 

I feel that I and Z284 are getting no where with you since you seem to twist around things a just answer questions with questions. The SS did not have a cowl hood available, it was a Z28 only thing, just as factory headers were.

I just wanna also say that your incredible SS desingnation was never advertised as or called "The Closest Thing To A Corvette Yet" like the Z28 was.

 

Maybe in Canada. Down here most people look at the Camaro as being a Redneck/Guido mobile (no offense) but that is the truth. I know from experience.

 

Redneck/Guido mobile?

You need to check out Camaro's rep out here in California.

 

Sorry but thats how it is in the Chicago area at least. I don't think that way. For some reason people (around here at least) don't look at a Camaro as a serious car (that is probably one of the reasons they were such slow sellers). I notice around where I live that the typical person you would expect to want/buy a Camaro is buying a new/used M3.

 

I'm with Guion, I never hear that stuff. When you guys grow up you'll realize that stereotypes are stupid and ignorant and are not the normal, people with sense ignore BS like that.

 

One SS owner's comment per thread may be an opinion. More than one SS owner's comment per thread is a stance.

Sorry....that's my "observation".