well keep in mind I am talking emmisons legal, fuel economy ect.

Alos it makes the 427 LS7 sound like its not really putting out--if it can only do 505 with 0.6L more displacement.

 

The LS7 is using a "baby" camshaft, for a 427 c.i. engine . That's what makes it 500 "streetable" HP . There are lots of smaller displacement engines making well over 500 HP, but no OEM could put one in a car, warranty it, and expect (average) people to enjoy driving them everyday . And their fuel economy would probably suck too.

 

Does this mean the V10 is dead? I was wondering if there would be a V10 Challenger...

 

They just put considerable effort and $ into revising the V10 for 2008. It's not dead. I haven't heard anything about it going into the Challenger, though.

 

V10 is FAR from dead. Viper=V10 just like Corvette=V8.
Forget about it going into a Challenger. It's essentially a hand made engine, and I don't see anyone dishing out 60-80K for a Challenger, just like I don't see anyone doing it for a Camaro, Mustang, or GTO.

Thank You!

It's funny when you read posts about how Ford is studying or Chrysler took ideas from GM's LSx engines as if it's some "wunder-motor". Please!

GM, Ford, and Chrysler all have been making motors for roughly 100 years, and all 3 have top notch engineers working on their programs. The only difference is priorities. Ford's priority is on forged internals & overhead cams. GM's is on fuel economy and cost to manufacture. Chrysler's is cost to manufacture and performance. Change the priorities around between the manufacturers, and you get very different engines.


You're very close to being accurate.


Challenger SRT8 won't be $50K.

Chrysler is taking no prisoners with the SRT Challenger. While GM is setting the Camaro's up claim to fame to be a racing circuit car, the Challenger is going to be a drag racer.

This is pure speculation on my part, but taking what I know about the current SRT team at Chrysler, Chrysler's management's willingness to fully fund what they need, and the fact that unlike SVT (which has effectively been dissolved) and GMHP division (which is more generic and constrained), I'd say the Challenger is likely to be quicker than whatever Camaro GM brings to the party, while Camaro is going etch out Challenger and especially Mustang on race courses such as Nurbring and Laguna Seca.

 

With all due respect, I'll believe it when I see it.

MSRP on a GT500 with options is already in the mid-$40k range, and the current Charger SRT-8s as generally equipped are getting close to that (the last two I saw were both over $43k MSRP). Where will that be in two or three years? Consider also the ongoing hints from CG that they consider Challenger to be a premium product vs the Mustang and Camaro, presumably because of the larger interior. I bet MSRP on the typical top-performing (whatever they call it) Challenger as equipped by the average dealer will be north of $45k... unless GM chooses to offer a competitive product for significantly less. That's the big variable.

As an aside, it will be very interesting to see what they do to the LX rear on the hottest Challengers. The SRT-8s have already had trouble with breakage when using drag radials, much less slicks. Adding 100 hp or whatever won't exactly help.

 

I cannot say for the regular production mustang, but to handily beat the Boy and Man racers is saying alot. The cars were set up so well that the common perception is the boy racer had a horsepower advantage over the competition, in truth the boy racer had a very good chassis and was quicker than alot of cars (BMW & Porsche) through the turns allowing the mustangs to get through faster creating the illusion that they were just one trick ponies with alot of top end. Hopefully I can find a link to the post where this is discussed. The info is on a ferrarri forum and the guy who posted the information was one of the people who helped to set-up/campaign the boy racers. In a nutshell, the boy racers had some serious development resulting in a very sorted out chassis, despite being heavy and some issues with the rear brakes (stock size rear discs with a funky booster curve resulted in brakes that were cooked pretty fast). As for the HP advantage, the boy racers had comparable hp/wgt ratios to the competition.

 

Shelby GT500 stickers at $40,930.

$38,095 for the SRT Charger.

Whatever options you pile on or whatever dealers pile on top is irrelevent. There's a Tahoe nearby going for $55K. Doesn't mean that's the base price.

Challenger SRT8 won't run $50,000 msrp.

Feel free to believe it when you see it.

 

Well, if the Challenger really is slated to be a "premium" product, w/larger interior, and if it comes even close in final production to its concept, then I still believe it's going to be a tank . And if it's true that the current Charger SRT-8's are having "issues" breaking things with sticky tires on (this is the first I've heard of that ) ..... wellllllllll, I still have my doubts about it edging out anything .

I will . So far all I saw was a 425 HP Charger SRT-8 run a 13.8 @ 104 beside me, while I ran a 13.4 @ 107 with my "310 HP" LS1 Z28 . They'd better be doing their homework!!

 

There are four different SRT8 Chargers at two stealerships in Honolulu ranging from 36800-39500. I bought my Magnum SRT8 for 36. I doubt the Challenger SRT8 will be 50K unless the dealer adds some incredible markup and some dumb fool is willing to pay it.

 

Yeah but that would be a cool limited edition ZL1 type image booster.

 

Sounds like Hono's dealerships aren't stealing as much as they were when I was living there. I remember mid 90s Impala SSs going for 30K (the police got them at a slight discount, then most of that was subsidized by the state!). Mustangs carried a $3K markup.

If they are selling SRT Chargers for 36-39K, they're at least on par with California.

 

don't be so sure---I was just there and some prices I saw were criminal!!

 

Everytime I go in for servicing, Cutter is offering SRTs at employee cost less rebates. They tried to get my wife to agree to an SRT10 QC Niterunner.

 

well I am of course speaking of what I saw--was in Kaliau at the Ford dealer and the Pontiac dealer on the Nimitz.

I heard of Cutter--saw some commericals, pretty funny stuff. I also watched that car show made in Hawaii