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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 01:50 PM
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If this information about power output and price is correct, I hope many of you guys on here might now realize that a 325hp midlevel v8 is going to be unacceptable.
The 300+ hp 4th gens didn't outsell the 260 hp Mustang Gts did they? The overall package is what matters here.
Old Dec 1, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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The 300+ hp 4th gens didn't outsell the 260 hp Mustang Gts did they? The overall package is what matters here.
And from the sounds of it on this message board, the Challenger has the overall package. If the Camaro comes in a great package, with a weak motor, at the same pricepoint as the Dodge, it will suffer.

If Dodge, can sell this car with 425 HP for $28,000, I don't see why Chevy couldn't either, or at least be close in price.
Old Dec 1, 2005 | 02:56 PM
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And from the sounds of it on this message board, the Challenger has the overall package. If the Camaro comes in a great package, with a weak motor, at the same pricepoint as the Dodge, it will suffer.

If Dodge, can sell this car with 425 HP for $28,000, I don't see why Chevy couldn't either, or at least be close in price.
I can see the RT with the 350 hp Hemi 5.7 for $28,000 but not the SRT 6.1 425 hp motor. The 6.1 is what $38,000 in the Charger. Why would the coupe which is lower volume and having a higher peice cost because of its changes from the other LXs cost less?
Old Dec 1, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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I can see the RT with the 350 hp Hemi 5.7 for $28,000 but not the SRT 6.1 425 hp motor. The 6.1 is what $38,000 in the Charger. Why would the coupe which is lower volume and having a higher peice cost because of its changes from the other LXs cost less?
The reason that the SRT8 cars are ~10k more then the 5.7 models is bcuz of all the extras you get with the SRT8, ie brakes, suspension, wheels and tires. Without that you, there is no real reason to increase the price over a 5.7 model just bcuz it has a 6.1 in it.
Old Dec 1, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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I think Dodge could pull it off and for 2 key reasons..

#1. They cant just go THAT retro, years after the latest Mustang without some kinda extra hook to gather the attention. And I think 375+hp for under $30K would do that!

#2. Dodge is like Ford in that they dont have ignorant rules. If they wanna build a bad *** car, its done. Didnt Ford have a Cobra (or Cobra-r), Bullitt, Mach 1, GT, and base all in 1 year once? They can just do things like that. They dont have GM's preset mentality of "I dont care if it is on an Ahmish carriage, its got over 400hp so its gonna be expensive"

My point is, look at the Mustang GT. Look at the cost of that, and the "options" available. I realize we are talking about two different companies here but I can't see it happening without the challenger being a stripper model.
Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:02 PM
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My point is, look at the Mustang GT. Look at the cost of that, and the "options" available. I realize we are talking about two different companies here but I can't see it happening without the challenger being a stripper model.
The difference between the Mustang and Challenger, when it comes out, is that it should be able to be produced on the same line as the Magnum, 300, and Charger. From what I understand from Bob Sheaves (who once worked at Chrysler), if everything goes as planned, the plant will be able to switch between the 4 cars with just a quick change in programming for the computers.

From what I my understanding, Guy/Red and a few others will know for sure, this was the whole idea behind the Zeta platform. The idea is to produce only a few niche cars, but still be able to make a profit.
Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:24 PM
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The difference between the Mustang and Challenger, when it comes out, is that it should be able to be produced on the same line as the Magnum, 300, and Charger. From what I understand from Bob Sheaves (who once worked at Chrysler), if everything goes as planned, the plant will be able to switch between the 4 cars with just a quick change in programming for the computers.

From what I my understanding, Guy/Red and a few others will know for sure, this was the whole idea behind the Zeta platform. The idea is to produce only a few niche cars, but still be able to make a profit.

I get that but still...ehh. I suppose it is possible though, the GTO is 29k right now and it has a very nice interior and all.
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 06:33 AM
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The reason that the SRT8 cars are ~10k more then the 5.7 models is bcuz of all the extras you get with the SRT8, ie brakes, suspension, wheels and tires. Without that you, there is no real reason to increase the price over a 5.7 model just bcuz it has a 6.1 in it.
Right but do you think the SRT Challenger won't have all those extras? I am willing to bet it will. Also why wouldn't they charge the premium for a premium model? Without charging for it on one model they cheapen the branding.
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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Retro? More like remake.
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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Right but do you think the SRT Challenger won't have all those extras? I am willing to bet it will. Also why wouldn't they charge the premium for a premium model? Without charging for it on one model they cheapen the branding.
The concept has R/T on it. It is said to be sporting a 425hp Hemi and a m6, all for around $28,000. That is what the speculation is over. Whether the production car will be like this or not, remains to be seen. Chrysler didn't put an SRT badge on the concept though, and I wonder why that is.

Whether or not Chrysler decides to give us a 425hp car or not is up to them, but I do think they could pull it off for $28,000. The assembly line is flexible enough, and most of the componentry on the car is inexpensive. We got SVT Cobras with 390(roughly)hp, fully loaded with IRS for $34,000, and the motor in that thing is much more complicated, and likely expensive. 400hp GTOs go for $34,000, and they come fully loaded with nice leather, etc. I don't see why it couldn't be done.
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 12:40 PM
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The concept has R/T on it. It is said to be sporting a 425hp Hemi and a m6, all for around $28,000. That is what the speculation is over. Whether the production car will be like this or not, remains to be seen. Chrysler didn't put an SRT badge on the concept though, and I wonder why that is.

Whether or not Chrysler decides to give us a 425hp car or not is up to them, but I do think they could pull it off for $28,000. The assembly line is flexible enough, and most of the componentry on the car is inexpensive. We got SVT Cobras with 390(roughly)hp, fully loaded with IRS for $34,000, and the motor in that thing is much more complicated, and likely expensive. 400hp GTOs go for $34,000, and they come fully loaded with nice leather, etc. I don't see why it couldn't be done.
I am not saying it couldn't be done. I am saying it doesn't make good logistical and business sense to do that. SRT should be a premium version.
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 01:10 PM
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Right but do you think the SRT Challenger won't have all those extras? I am willing to bet it will. Also why wouldn't they charge the premium for a premium model? Without charging for it on one model they cheapen the branding.
Who says that the SRT Challenger has to have the 6.1? Why can't it have the 392 and the R/T have either a 5.7 or 6.1?
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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Who says that the SRT Challenger has to have the 6.1? Why can't it have the 392 and the R/T have either a 5.7 or 6.1?
No one says at this point. It may very well happen that way. This is all speculation.
Old Dec 2, 2005 | 01:41 PM
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I am not saying it couldn't be done. I am saying it doesn't make good logistical and business sense to do that. SRT should be a premium version.
Who is saying SRT shouldn't be the premium version? I know I didn't. R/T could still be the middle model for all we know. It sure is priced like one.
Old Dec 3, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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If MPH mag got the real scoop, then

1) It matches Allpar saying the Challenger SRT might be a 6.4L(392ci) car.

and

2) Chrysler IS the muscle car enthusiasts best friend, because they just blew any previous price/performance(+value) ratio I can think of out the window.



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