View Poll Results: Does Chevy need to rethink it's SS sub-brand?
No way, everyone thinks it's awesome.
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54.17%
Time for a more relevant performance marketing strategy.
22
45.83%
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Spinoff: Is it time for Chevy to replace it's SS sub-brand?
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You guys are lost and missing my point.
We were discussing if GM could do a proper Z28 that would make a good track car. I said a loaded SS already runs $40K, and for what it costs to make a Z28, you could just get a Corvette.
Someone looking for what a Z28 would be is looking for a track car. And most people who have Camaro's as an only car buy them used.
We were discussing if GM could do a proper Z28 that would make a good track car. I said a loaded SS already runs $40K, and for what it costs to make a Z28, you could just get a Corvette.
Someone looking for what a Z28 would be is looking for a track car. And most people who have Camaro's as an only car buy them used.
My crystal ball tells me that the people who buy them, will probably never turn a wheel in anger. They'll be garage queens for middle aged, non-discerning, "enthusiasts".
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I don't think anyone looking for an occasional track car will even consider the Z/28. Just because it'll cost Corvette money, doesn't mean it'll deliver Corvette performance, other than in a straight line. An extra half ton will do that to you.
My crystal ball tells me that the people who buy them, will probably never turn a wheel in anger. They'll be garage queens for middle aged, non-discerning, "enthusiasts".
My crystal ball tells me that the people who buy them, will probably never turn a wheel in anger. They'll be garage queens for middle aged, non-discerning, "enthusiasts".
The people that buy them will be the people who must have a Camaro, have the cash and must have the 'whopper'. Maybe there are enough people out there that fit this bill to make it viable.
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I don't think that you would have to worry about the Z28 stealing any statistically important number of Corvette sales even if it performed slightly better than a base Vette from the factory. I don't really think the demographics of the owners overlap to any significant extent. PLus a Z28 will be low production anyway.
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Drat! Something must be wrong with my PC. Maybe I have a virus or something. I clicked on the link to get to the "SS brand" discussion and it threw me back into the "LSA Z/28 debate" thread.
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I don't think anyone looking for an occasional track car will even consider the Z/28. Just because it'll cost Corvette money, doesn't mean it'll deliver Corvette performance, other than in a straight line. An extra half ton will do that to you.
My crystal ball tells me that the people who buy them, will probably never turn a wheel in anger. They'll be garage queens for middle aged, non-discerning, "enthusiasts".
My crystal ball tells me that the people who buy them, will probably never turn a wheel in anger. They'll be garage queens for middle aged, non-discerning, "enthusiasts".
I think they'd be discerning, just differently discerning.
The same demographic that buys the M3, just with different tastes.
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As you said, the demographics may be similar, but the tastes - or rather the intent is different.
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My head hurts...
In some people's opinion..for a Camaro to be a true Z28 it has to be a car that can tear up a road course in 1LE fashion. However when I noted this is knocking on Corvette's door I get reminded that the current Camaro is fat cow full of mutton that could never be a real track car in Corvette league?
I think there are plenty of engineers in places like HSV that could make a Zeta car that would blow the doors off a Corvette at a road track. Only limit is how much you want to pay. I honestly don't think the current car is nearly as bad as people make it. All my gripes are with compromises that seem to be tied to fitting the styling on the platform.
In some people's opinion..for a Camaro to be a true Z28 it has to be a car that can tear up a road course in 1LE fashion. However when I noted this is knocking on Corvette's door I get reminded that the current Camaro is fat cow full of mutton that could never be a real track car in Corvette league?
I think there are plenty of engineers in places like HSV that could make a Zeta car that would blow the doors off a Corvette at a road track. Only limit is how much you want to pay. I honestly don't think the current car is nearly as bad as people make it. All my gripes are with compromises that seem to be tied to fitting the styling on the platform.
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I think there are plenty of engineers in places like HSV that could make a Zeta car that would blow the doors off a Corvette at a road track. Only limit is how much you want to pay. I honestly don't think the current car is nearly as bad as people make it. All my gripes are with compromises that seem to be tied to fitting the styling on the platform.
The GTS is nothing short of impressive on a race circuit. The steering is now more neutral and the car turns in with less effort thanks to the wider front track provided by the 8.5-inch wide front wheels. The magnetically controlled suspension has been revised too. It doesn't clunk around as much as earlier versions did and does an impressive job of isolating bumps on public roads, and enhancing the cornering grip when at the limit on a track.
http://www.carpoint.com.au/reviews/2...v-e2-gts-16764
http://www.carpoint.com.au/reviews/2...v-e2-gts-16764
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As for comparing a Z/28 to a Corvette; more than a few people don't fly by specs alone, some want a Camaro body and I happen to be one.
We all know a ,basic, entry Vette may be the same money as a theoretical "Z/28"; but a lot of people aren't "Vette People"..
It seems many of these discussions focus on performance oriented parts but forget a very important part, "styling".
Everybody comments on how amazing the new Camaro looks on the street!
The Vette seems off the radar to most people....
We all know a ,basic, entry Vette may be the same money as a theoretical "Z/28"; but a lot of people aren't "Vette People"..
It seems many of these discussions focus on performance oriented parts but forget a very important part, "styling".
Everybody comments on how amazing the new Camaro looks on the street!
The Vette seems off the radar to most people....
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