Some thoughts on Mustang....
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posted by Z284ever
But here is how I see it......
The Cobra will be heavy. It just can't help but be. Big motor. Big supercharger. Big intercooler. Big wheels (20's I've heard).
And why did I pick Nurburgring? Because it's not just the Europeans testing their cars there...Americans..like GM for example have now set up shop there.
THE 14.189 MILE Nurburgring circuit; 174 turns and about 90 gear changes per lap. Only the highest performance street car can run one lap without frying it's brakes.
The Cobra will have hellacious power, but it's brakes will continually need to harness that power and hellacious weight. The CBS IRS will do it's part to get the Cobra around the circuit quickly....but the front McPherson struts will betray it. The front will constantly scrub off speed. Over every hill. Over every bump. Around every decreasing or increasing radius turn......it's 500 horse, supercharged, supercooled engine will try to gain back speed lost by it's front suspension....and weight.
This is fun, I'll finish later.........
But here is how I see it......
The Cobra will be heavy. It just can't help but be. Big motor. Big supercharger. Big intercooler. Big wheels (20's I've heard).
And why did I pick Nurburgring? Because it's not just the Europeans testing their cars there...Americans..like GM for example have now set up shop there.
THE 14.189 MILE Nurburgring circuit; 174 turns and about 90 gear changes per lap. Only the highest performance street car can run one lap without frying it's brakes.
The Cobra will have hellacious power, but it's brakes will continually need to harness that power and hellacious weight. The CBS IRS will do it's part to get the Cobra around the circuit quickly....but the front McPherson struts will betray it. The front will constantly scrub off speed. Over every hill. Over every bump. Around every decreasing or increasing radius turn......it's 500 horse, supercharged, supercooled engine will try to gain back speed lost by it's front suspension....and weight.
This is fun, I'll finish later.........
First...you have no clue what will power the next generation Cobra, how much it will weigh, what brakes will be on it, or anything about the suspension other than it will have a version of the McPhersion strut w/coilovers up front and IRS. BMW has built some of the best handling cars in the world using a McPherson strut front suspension. That fact must have escaped you. You've "heard"? Funny, nobody else has "heard" anything concrete about the new Cobra...maybe you could enlighten the rest of us, or stop embellishing.
Second...similarly, so little information is available about the (possible) 5th gen that drawing comparisons and bench racing 3 years in advance appears to be an act of desperation. Your little Nurburgring story, albeit cute, is a pipe dream.
Keep dreaming, maybe one will come true.
S.
Last edited by Snorman; Jan 13, 2004 at 11:13 PM.
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Originally posted by Snorman
These are such ridiculous statements they [almost] don't even merit comment.
First...you have no clue what will power the next generation Cobra, how much it will weigh, what brakes will be on it, or anything about the suspension other than it will have a version of the McPhersion strut w/coilovers up front and IRS. BMW has built some of the best handling cars in the world using a McPherson strut front suspension. That fact must have escaped you. You've "heard"? Funny, nobody else has "heard" anything concrete about the new Cobra...maybe you could enlighten the rest of us, or stop embellishing.
Second...similarly, so little information is available about the (possible) 5th gen that drawing comparisons and bench racing 3 years in advance appears to be an act of desperation. Your little Nurburgring story, albeit cute, is a pipe dream.
Keep dreaming, maybe one will come true.
S. [/B]
These are such ridiculous statements they [almost] don't even merit comment.
First...you have no clue what will power the next generation Cobra, how much it will weigh, what brakes will be on it, or anything about the suspension other than it will have a version of the McPhersion strut w/coilovers up front and IRS. BMW has built some of the best handling cars in the world using a McPherson strut front suspension. That fact must have escaped you. You've "heard"? Funny, nobody else has "heard" anything concrete about the new Cobra...maybe you could enlighten the rest of us, or stop embellishing.
Second...similarly, so little information is available about the (possible) 5th gen that drawing comparisons and bench racing 3 years in advance appears to be an act of desperation. Your little Nurburgring story, albeit cute, is a pipe dream.
Keep dreaming, maybe one will come true.
S. [/B]
Okeydoke.
Last edited by Z284ever; Jan 13, 2004 at 11:23 PM.
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Kind of a side topic here......
What is the better suspention set-up (chassis stifness and wheel base ect.. the same)
A SLA Front and Solid camaro rear or a L arm strut /IRS . Not on the street but at the track?
To a early comment.... There is a solid axle suspention called a Mumford(sp) That is amazing in the handling dept.
You can put a custom 4th gen Doubble wishbone/coilover suspention in Camaros now. It will soon be a "kit" It does require som mods to the frame but it should come in at 5k installed.
What is the better suspention set-up (chassis stifness and wheel base ect.. the same)
A SLA Front and Solid camaro rear or a L arm strut /IRS . Not on the street but at the track?
To a early comment.... There is a solid axle suspention called a Mumford(sp) That is amazing in the handling dept.
You can put a custom 4th gen Doubble wishbone/coilover suspention in Camaros now. It will soon be a "kit" It does require som mods to the frame but it should come in at 5k installed.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
Hey listen.....this is my story. You got a better one?...lets hear it! Until then...stop raining on my parade. Okeydoke.
Hey listen.....this is my story. You got a better one?...lets hear it! Until then...stop raining on my parade.
Okeydoke.
OK Mrs. Johnson I'll tell MY story to the class.
Pick up the tele doing a live show. Dave Hill and Barney Hall are broadcasting live from the conning tower in the infield.
Dave: Spring has brought out the cherry tree blooms and the buttercups are lightly blanketed with dew as the morning sun rises to grace the scenery at Watkins Glen. As the sun gets the ashphalt warmed, so too are the engines warming.
Barney: The two have come to meet again... Mustang and Camaro. A 40 year old rivalry that has long since gone from the original cut-throat death battles to friendly jousts between old comrades, each taking their fair share of bruises, black eyes, and trophies.
The challenger, back from a recent vacation is the Camaro, sporting a new generation of the infamous LSx-series pushrod V8. The limited edition 2007 Z/28 package has optioned this animal well for todays track exercise, sporting the LS2 with "Z/28 SPECIAL PERFORMANCE" cam, exhaust and dry sump oiling system. M12 six speed. 18" front wheels, 19"rear wheels. Brembo brakes...14" front, 12" rear, with crossdrilled rotors. Certain structural components have been replaced with hydroformed aluminum. The shortened body, with proportions and styling hints slightly reminiscent of the 1969 Z/28 looks something like a virile body-builder with muscular bulges over the hood and rear fenders. Sharp creases separate the top of the car from the sides, and the hide-away headlamps provide a sinister looking grill that seems to beg for speed to feed air to the beast within. What can we say, the car simply looks awesome - even sitting still. Dave.
Dave: Thanks Barney. The defending champion, continuing to buck the naysayers and provide outstanding performance at a bargain price - The 2007 Boss 302. Ford has powered the animal with the all-alloy 5.0 cammer - a higher-revving, recently developed sibling of the proven 5.4-4V and 5.8L V10 powerplants used in Lightnings and Cobras. The Tremec M6 transmission routes power to the ground via the modified Control Blade IRS system, also borrowed from Cobra. Front suspension is a modified wishbone system, using driver-tuned Koni adjustable shocks and 1" lower-than-stock coils supplied by Eibach. 18" x 9" alloys all-around shod with Michelin Pilots further reduced the rotating mass. Sound-deadening was severely reduced in side walls and rear floor areas, Alloy K-members replace the old steel units used in the stock Mustang's front end, and the body incorporates aluminum and fiberglass-reinforced urethane components for hoods, fenders, and spoilers respectively. The end result is a car weighing 684lbs less than the '06 SVT Cobra, with 500hp, and a grip that rivals the F14 Thomcat in generating G-forces in a curve. And the look of the car... well, what can we say - it's beautiful. The hockey-stick stripes down the side, the blacked-out hood, and the "BOSS 302" badges that appear to be slanted versions of the originals... The low, wide stance with the fat tires and daul exhausts plumbed to each rear corner... The fastback profile with a pronounced and functional front airdam... This car simply screams "Give me a track!" to whomever sees it.
Barney: As 11:00 am nears, the cars have had 3 warm-up laps and run 2 at speed, swapping leads and feeling each other out. As they come down the main stretch, the flagman prepares to startyet another fabled battle that will become lore of legends.... AND THEY'RE OFF!!!
Dave: Down the front straight reaching 115 before hitting the brakes to dive into turn 1. The Camaro has the inside line, so the Mustang holds back and falls in. They exit the turn nose to tail. As they go down the short straight towards the S-turns, the Mustang is powering up on the outside... but the Camaro again holds the preferred line - not giving in. They go throught the S's almost sharing paint. A short line to the chicane offers the Mustang no time to use the power it has, so they enter the chicane as a single unit, almost touching! Pulling slightly ahead, the Z/28 seems able to put power down in the curves a little better than the Boss - perhaps due to the staggered wheel sizes.
Barney: Coming out of the second set of S's, the Camaro is pulling out a carlength. But here they come down the backstretch - nearly a 3/4 mile stretch... and here comes the Boss 302, pulling out on the left and slowly easing by the Camaro! The Boss cuts back right, nearly skimming the front bumper of the Camaro as they line up to go into the hairpins! The Camaro is all over the back of the Mustang... almost pushing it through turns 11 and 12! Going into the uphill slalom, the Mustang has the line going into the right-hand curve, but the Camaro cuts left with the throttle down and takes the line away from the Mustang for the lefty! The Boss car falls in behind the Camaro to finish two right-handers dumping both cars out onto the frontstretch!
Dave: The Boss goes outside and gets a fender up to the Camaro's rear! It's a drag race to the finish line 4-tenths of a mile ahead! The Camaro is firmly planted and the engine is screaming loud! The Boss car is gaining slowly on the outside! What a thunderous roar! They pull up neck and neck as they approach the line! Here comes the flag! And the winner is... the @!8)&%#%@^658*$!*2!
Awww DAMMIT Barney! I got so excited I fell off the damn stool! Did you see who won?
Barney: Heck no, I was watching the flagman try to keep from falling! He dropped the flag from the pulpit! I thought you saw the finish - you were calling it!
Dave: Starter... come in starter...
Starter: This is the starter... go ahead.
Dave: Did you see who won?
Starter: Hell no... I got so excited waving the flag I let it slip and dropped it just as the cars got here! I was trying to catch it as they went under me. Damn near fell out of the pulpit too.
Dave: Did the video camera get it?
Cameraman: Sorry Dave, I jumped out of the seat to see the finish, and bumped the camera visor with my head, knocking the camera too low for the shot, and darn near knocking me out too. Sorry!
Dave: This is JUST GREAT, let's go ask the drivers who won.
Barney: Yeah right - like they are gonna tell us who won?!?!
Dave: OK then, I guess we'll just have to do it all over again. Call the drivers back out and everyone get back into position... Here we go again!
OK you knotheads - that was MY pipe-dream.
So who's gonna rain on my parade...
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I don't know, but if the new Cobra has a remnant of the GT40 in it, it'll handle and be fast.
I just finished a test article where the GT40 out "Hot-Lapped" the new "Ferrari" and "Porsche GT3"!!!, more grip in the turns and could accelerate harder out of them than the other two.
And it was the only one WITHOUT a "fancy-ceramic"-blah-blah-blah braking system...
These are exiting days when the best Europe has to offer is chasing an American car!...
Now, if we could get a C6 Z06 with 500Hp and a 5th Gen Camaro with 400HP, wouldn't the world just be a wonderful place?!.. 
I just finished a test article where the GT40 out "Hot-Lapped" the new "Ferrari" and "Porsche GT3"!!!, more grip in the turns and could accelerate harder out of them than the other two.
And it was the only one WITHOUT a "fancy-ceramic"-blah-blah-blah braking system...
These are exiting days when the best Europe has to offer is chasing an American car!...
Now, if we could get a C6 Z06 with 500Hp and a 5th Gen Camaro with 400HP, wouldn't the world just be a wonderful place?!..
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
I will....cause we were comparing a Cobra with Z28, not a theoretical Boss 302!
I will....cause we were comparing a Cobra with Z28, not a theoretical Boss 302!
When you show me your '07 Z/28, I'll show you my '07 Boss...
Besides, I'd rather see the Z/28-Boss pairing than Z/28-Cobra. I really think Ford is trying to separate Cobra from the Mustang main stream, and they are pitting Cobra against base C5/C6 in everything from mags to ads.
Don't want to hijack the thread or start a war, but a Z/28 should be a more expensive, specialized track car instead of the base V8 offering. This compares directly to the original intentions of the first Z/28 cars AND Boss 302's... 'nuf said.
Do 'em right, or don't do 'em at all - that's what I says...
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Originally posted by ProudPony
I really think Ford is trying to separate Cobra from the Mustang main stream, and they are pitting Cobra against base C5/C6 in everything from mags to ads.
I really think Ford is trying to separate Cobra from the Mustang main stream, and they are pitting Cobra against base C5/C6 in everything from mags to ads.
It may have been mentioned here before, but it seems to me that Ford (SVT) isn't as interested in competing with GM as a lot of people think they are. Now that SVT is moving upscale, I think they will be setting their sites on BMW and Mercedes (AMG). These are interesting times.
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Originally posted by PaperTarget
Now that SVT is moving upscale, I think they will be setting their sites on BMW and Mercedes (AMG).
Now that SVT is moving upscale, I think they will be setting their sites on BMW and Mercedes (AMG).
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Ford SVT might be thinking that way, but the problem is it's Ford SVT. I can't see M and AMG buyers taking a Ford-badged vehicle into consideration. Wouldn't this kind of thing be best handled by a certain luxury division seemingly in need of some direction right now?
Ford SVT might be thinking that way, but the problem is it's Ford SVT. I can't see M and AMG buyers taking a Ford-badged vehicle into consideration. Wouldn't this kind of thing be best handled by a certain luxury division seemingly in need of some direction right now?
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Originally posted by ProudPony
Oh... Oh... I got one! I got one! Pick me! Pick me!....
OK Mrs. Johnson I'll tell MY story to the class.
Pick up the tele doing a live show. Dave Hill and Barney Hall are broadcasting live from the conning tower in the infield.
Dave: Spring has brought out the cherry tree blooms and the buttercups are lightly blanketed with dew as the morning sun rises to grace the scenery at Watkins Glen. As the sun gets the ashphalt warmed, so too are the engines warming.
Barney: The two have come to meet again... Mustang and Camaro. A 40 year old rivalry that has long since gone from the original cut-throat death battles to friendly jousts between old comrades, each taking their fair share of bruises, black eyes, and trophies.
The challenger, back from a recent vacation is the Camaro, sporting a new generation of the infamous LSx-series pushrod V8. The limited edition 2007 Z/28 package has optioned this animal well for todays track exercise, sporting the LS2 with "Z/28 SPECIAL PERFORMANCE" cam, exhaust and dry sump oiling system. M12 six speed. 18" front wheels, 19"rear wheels. Brembo brakes...14" front, 12" rear, with crossdrilled rotors. Certain structural components have been replaced with hydroformed aluminum. The shortened body, with proportions and styling hints slightly reminiscent of the 1969 Z/28 looks something like a virile body-builder with muscular bulges over the hood and rear fenders. Sharp creases separate the top of the car from the sides, and the hide-away headlamps provide a sinister looking grill that seems to beg for speed to feed air to the beast within. What can we say, the car simply looks awesome - even sitting still. Dave.
Dave: Thanks Barney. The defending champion, continuing to buck the naysayers and provide outstanding performance at a bargain price - The 2007 Boss 302. Ford has powered the animal with the all-alloy 5.0 cammer - a higher-revving, recently developed sibling of the proven 5.4-4V and 5.8L V10 powerplants used in Lightnings and Cobras. The Tremec M6 transmission routes power to the ground via the modified Control Blade IRS system, also borrowed from Cobra. Front suspension is a modified wishbone system, using driver-tuned Koni adjustable shocks and 1" lower-than-stock coils supplied by Eibach. 18" x 9" alloys all-around shod with Michelin Pilots further reduced the rotating mass. Sound-deadening was severely reduced in side walls and rear floor areas, Alloy K-members replace the old steel units used in the stock Mustang's front end, and the body incorporates aluminum and fiberglass-reinforced urethane components for hoods, fenders, and spoilers respectively. The end result is a car weighing 684lbs less than the '06 SVT Cobra, with 500hp, and a grip that rivals the F14 Thomcat in generating G-forces in a curve. And the look of the car... well, what can we say - it's beautiful. The hockey-stick stripes down the side, the blacked-out hood, and the "BOSS 302" badges that appear to be slanted versions of the originals... The low, wide stance with the fat tires and daul exhausts plumbed to each rear corner... The fastback profile with a pronounced and functional front airdam... This car simply screams "Give me a track!" to whomever sees it.
Barney: As 11:00 am nears, the cars have had 3 warm-up laps and run 2 at speed, swapping leads and feeling each other out. As they come down the main stretch, the flagman prepares to startyet another fabled battle that will become lore of legends.... AND THEY'RE OFF!!!
Dave: Down the front straight reaching 115 before hitting the brakes to dive into turn 1. The Camaro has the inside line, so the Mustang holds back and falls in. They exit the turn nose to tail. As they go down the short straight towards the S-turns, the Mustang is powering up on the outside... but the Camaro again holds the preferred line - not giving in. They go throught the S's almost sharing paint. A short line to the chicane offers the Mustang no time to use the power it has, so they enter the chicane as a single unit, almost touching! Pulling slightly ahead, the Z/28 seems able to put power down in the curves a little better than the Boss - perhaps due to the staggered wheel sizes.
Barney: Coming out of the second set of S's, the Camaro is pulling out a carlength. But here they come down the backstretch - nearly a 3/4 mile stretch... and here comes the Boss 302, pulling out on the left and slowly easing by the Camaro! The Boss cuts back right, nearly skimming the front bumper of the Camaro as they line up to go into the hairpins! The Camaro is all over the back of the Mustang... almost pushing it through turns 11 and 12! Going into the uphill slalom, the Mustang has the line going into the right-hand curve, but the Camaro cuts left with the throttle down and takes the line away from the Mustang for the lefty! The Boss car falls in behind the Camaro to finish two right-handers dumping both cars out onto the frontstretch!
Dave: The Boss goes outside and gets a fender up to the Camaro's rear! It's a drag race to the finish line 4-tenths of a mile ahead! The Camaro is firmly planted and the engine is screaming loud! The Boss car is gaining slowly on the outside! What a thunderous roar! They pull up neck and neck as they approach the line! Here comes the flag! And the winner is... the @!8)&%#%@^658*$!*2!
Awww DAMMIT Barney! I got so excited I fell off the damn stool! Did you see who won?
Barney: Heck no, I was watching the flagman try to keep from falling! He dropped the flag from the pulpit! I thought you saw the finish - you were calling it!
Dave: Starter... come in starter...
Starter: This is the starter... go ahead.
Dave: Did you see who won?
Starter: Hell no... I got so excited waving the flag I let it slip and dropped it just as the cars got here! I was trying to catch it as they went under me. Damn near fell out of the pulpit too.
Dave: Did the video camera get it?
Cameraman: Sorry Dave, I jumped out of the seat to see the finish, and bumped the camera visor with my head, knocking the camera too low for the shot, and darn near knocking me out too. Sorry!
Dave: This is JUST GREAT, let's go ask the drivers who won.
Barney: Yeah right - like they are gonna tell us who won?!?!
Dave: OK then, I guess we'll just have to do it all over again. Call the drivers back out and everyone get back into position... Here we go again!
OK you knotheads - that was MY pipe-dream.
So who's gonna rain on my parade...
Oh... Oh... I got one! I got one! Pick me! Pick me!....
OK Mrs. Johnson I'll tell MY story to the class.
Pick up the tele doing a live show. Dave Hill and Barney Hall are broadcasting live from the conning tower in the infield.
Dave: Spring has brought out the cherry tree blooms and the buttercups are lightly blanketed with dew as the morning sun rises to grace the scenery at Watkins Glen. As the sun gets the ashphalt warmed, so too are the engines warming.
Barney: The two have come to meet again... Mustang and Camaro. A 40 year old rivalry that has long since gone from the original cut-throat death battles to friendly jousts between old comrades, each taking their fair share of bruises, black eyes, and trophies.
The challenger, back from a recent vacation is the Camaro, sporting a new generation of the infamous LSx-series pushrod V8. The limited edition 2007 Z/28 package has optioned this animal well for todays track exercise, sporting the LS2 with "Z/28 SPECIAL PERFORMANCE" cam, exhaust and dry sump oiling system. M12 six speed. 18" front wheels, 19"rear wheels. Brembo brakes...14" front, 12" rear, with crossdrilled rotors. Certain structural components have been replaced with hydroformed aluminum. The shortened body, with proportions and styling hints slightly reminiscent of the 1969 Z/28 looks something like a virile body-builder with muscular bulges over the hood and rear fenders. Sharp creases separate the top of the car from the sides, and the hide-away headlamps provide a sinister looking grill that seems to beg for speed to feed air to the beast within. What can we say, the car simply looks awesome - even sitting still. Dave.
Dave: Thanks Barney. The defending champion, continuing to buck the naysayers and provide outstanding performance at a bargain price - The 2007 Boss 302. Ford has powered the animal with the all-alloy 5.0 cammer - a higher-revving, recently developed sibling of the proven 5.4-4V and 5.8L V10 powerplants used in Lightnings and Cobras. The Tremec M6 transmission routes power to the ground via the modified Control Blade IRS system, also borrowed from Cobra. Front suspension is a modified wishbone system, using driver-tuned Koni adjustable shocks and 1" lower-than-stock coils supplied by Eibach. 18" x 9" alloys all-around shod with Michelin Pilots further reduced the rotating mass. Sound-deadening was severely reduced in side walls and rear floor areas, Alloy K-members replace the old steel units used in the stock Mustang's front end, and the body incorporates aluminum and fiberglass-reinforced urethane components for hoods, fenders, and spoilers respectively. The end result is a car weighing 684lbs less than the '06 SVT Cobra, with 500hp, and a grip that rivals the F14 Thomcat in generating G-forces in a curve. And the look of the car... well, what can we say - it's beautiful. The hockey-stick stripes down the side, the blacked-out hood, and the "BOSS 302" badges that appear to be slanted versions of the originals... The low, wide stance with the fat tires and daul exhausts plumbed to each rear corner... The fastback profile with a pronounced and functional front airdam... This car simply screams "Give me a track!" to whomever sees it.
Barney: As 11:00 am nears, the cars have had 3 warm-up laps and run 2 at speed, swapping leads and feeling each other out. As they come down the main stretch, the flagman prepares to startyet another fabled battle that will become lore of legends.... AND THEY'RE OFF!!!
Dave: Down the front straight reaching 115 before hitting the brakes to dive into turn 1. The Camaro has the inside line, so the Mustang holds back and falls in. They exit the turn nose to tail. As they go down the short straight towards the S-turns, the Mustang is powering up on the outside... but the Camaro again holds the preferred line - not giving in. They go throught the S's almost sharing paint. A short line to the chicane offers the Mustang no time to use the power it has, so they enter the chicane as a single unit, almost touching! Pulling slightly ahead, the Z/28 seems able to put power down in the curves a little better than the Boss - perhaps due to the staggered wheel sizes.
Barney: Coming out of the second set of S's, the Camaro is pulling out a carlength. But here they come down the backstretch - nearly a 3/4 mile stretch... and here comes the Boss 302, pulling out on the left and slowly easing by the Camaro! The Boss cuts back right, nearly skimming the front bumper of the Camaro as they line up to go into the hairpins! The Camaro is all over the back of the Mustang... almost pushing it through turns 11 and 12! Going into the uphill slalom, the Mustang has the line going into the right-hand curve, but the Camaro cuts left with the throttle down and takes the line away from the Mustang for the lefty! The Boss car falls in behind the Camaro to finish two right-handers dumping both cars out onto the frontstretch!
Dave: The Boss goes outside and gets a fender up to the Camaro's rear! It's a drag race to the finish line 4-tenths of a mile ahead! The Camaro is firmly planted and the engine is screaming loud! The Boss car is gaining slowly on the outside! What a thunderous roar! They pull up neck and neck as they approach the line! Here comes the flag! And the winner is... the @!8)&%#%@^658*$!*2!
Awww DAMMIT Barney! I got so excited I fell off the damn stool! Did you see who won?
Barney: Heck no, I was watching the flagman try to keep from falling! He dropped the flag from the pulpit! I thought you saw the finish - you were calling it!
Dave: Starter... come in starter...
Starter: This is the starter... go ahead.
Dave: Did you see who won?
Starter: Hell no... I got so excited waving the flag I let it slip and dropped it just as the cars got here! I was trying to catch it as they went under me. Damn near fell out of the pulpit too.
Dave: Did the video camera get it?
Cameraman: Sorry Dave, I jumped out of the seat to see the finish, and bumped the camera visor with my head, knocking the camera too low for the shot, and darn near knocking me out too. Sorry!
Dave: This is JUST GREAT, let's go ask the drivers who won.
Barney: Yeah right - like they are gonna tell us who won?!?!
Dave: OK then, I guess we'll just have to do it all over again. Call the drivers back out and everyone get back into position... Here we go again!
OK you knotheads - that was MY pipe-dream.
So who's gonna rain on my parade...
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Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
I agree. Their closest bet would be and SVT'd Lincoln or something. Even then, they'll have their work cut out for them. AMG is a big established player in their field.
I agree. Their closest bet would be and SVT'd Lincoln or something. Even then, they'll have their work cut out for them. AMG is a big established player in their field.