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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 2manyToyz
It would be easier for the Big Fn 3 to file for bankruptcy then reorganize and stop producing ridiculous road hogs read: SUV's and start making energy efficient vehicles.
Have you been living under a rock?

I don't feel sorry for them, the volt should be out in full force by now.
This is not a matter of pity, this is not a matter of emotion. It has never been nor should it ever be. This is a matter of making sensible decisions to leave as little negative impact on the economy and the people as possible.

As for Citigroup what have they done for you and me? Nothing, so why are we with our $$$$ helping? And the government is owning more and more in the private sector? Socialist America if you ask me. Democracy is a thing of the past.
Here I agree with you wholeheartedly. Democracy is for trivial matters, but it's not what makes US tick.
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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As I said before, buying stocks is a better way to protect tax payer dollars than buying toxic mortgages.
Really? Then why was this NOT stated at the consideration of the bailout bill when it was introduced and passed? Why is it that Congress now has to accuse Paulson of bait and switch? I am certain that all the leading financial experts know what is better for the economy, and if buying bank equity instead of toxic assets is the better way, it would have been explained right away. It wasn't.

Buying a mortgage is throwing away money, the mortgage is $200K and the house is worth $150K, how does that make sense? It's better to buy stocks to give the bank capital and garauntee assets so IF they default they are covered and if they don't taxpayer dollars weren't wasted.
Buying up toxic mortgages would back up the derivative market with assets instead of defaults. The mortgage defaults is what caused the problem, so if that is reduced or alleviated, it should reduce the negative effects on the economy.
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ulakovic22
Do people not understand that just because a company goes bankrupt it doesn't mean they cease to exist? If that was the case there wouldn't be any airlines left to fly.

Also if you think Citi is only a credit card company then that is a very bad assumption and probably why you have that opinion in the first place. Also CitiCards is the cash cow of Citi and posted it's first loss since it was conceived this past quarter. This bailout had nothing to do with CitiCard.
I doubt the airlines have 3 million jobs at stake. I also doubt that they depend on suppliers as much as Detroit.

In the days where a depression is on the brink, you don't want big corporations declaring bankruptcies.
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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We understand this just fine. (Or at least a lot of us do.) The problem here is that the Detroit auto makers have to jump through hoops and over hurdles, begging and pleading for $25B between all three of them, but Citi Group can just make a phone call and get it without a media circus or congressional grilling. Why aren't you crying that Citi should just go bankrupt, or that AIG should just go bankrupt. After all, that doesn't mean they'll go out of business, right?
you also failed to mention that Detroit is not seeking a bailout. It's seeking a loan. It's the f-ing media that throws that word in every time the news hit about the $25 billion loan. They don't even use the word loan.

Bailout does not equal loan. Bailout is taking money out of taxpayers.
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ulakovic22
Financial industry already jumped through all the hoops , haven't you been watching the news the past year. Automakers are on the front burning but the financial industry was pasted all over the news the past 8 months at least, hell it dominated the election.
When congress has only days to pass the controversial bailout bill, under the threat that economy will collapse, panic will ensue, and martial law will have to be declared, that is not jumping through all the hoops. That's strong-arming the congress to pass the bill.

Sometimes I wonder if financial industry sympathizers on this site only watch Fox news and CNN.

Citi won't go bankrupt and was never in danger of going bankrupt. If anything Citi is over capitalized right now, the drop in the bucket to Citi was merely for consumer confidence after the FDIC let Wells take Wachovia away from us, more writeoffs coming this quarter and securitization issues. Besides you already saw what happened when a couple small banks went under, what do you think would happen to consumer confidence if any of the top 5 go under?
What will happen to consumer confidence when Detroit goes under? It's not just the confidence that's at steak, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs. At that point it's not just the spending willingness, it's the actual reduction in spending ability that goes down the drain.
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:27 AM
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Where the f*ck is my bailout?
When you operate a large financial institution.
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by muckz
When you operate a large financial institution.

When you make large political contributions-

Thought I would clear that up for you-
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 12:20 PM
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The Big 3 are not looking for a handout. They were/are looking for a loan, not free money. The fact that the big 3 have had to go through so many interviews, questions, badgering by congress, but any of these financial institutions can just say "Hey, I need a few billion dollars too!" and they just get it is a big f**king double standard to me.
Originally Posted by muckz
you also failed to mention that Detroit is not seeking a bailout. It's seeking a loan. It's the f-ing media that throws that word in every time the news hit about the $25 billion loan. They don't even use the word loan.

Bailout does not equal loan. Bailout is taking money out of taxpayers.
I mentioned it in an earlier post.
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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Why doesn't the government make one of the banks it is loaning asstons of money to make a loan to GM?
Old Nov 28, 2008 | 03:14 PM
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Why doesn't the government make one of the banks it is loaning asstons of money to make a loan to GM?
Well, I don't know if there is anyone here who can answer that question. But one of the issues is that the gov't does not exercise control over the bailout money. It seems like the treasury secretary is in charge, and he said, essentially, that there was no way any of the bailout money would go to the automakers.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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it's because Citi and the rest of the financials matter alot more than the big three. Citi is tied to our economy and the global economy. It's not a double standard it's the government dealing with what needs attention now.

The Big three limping up for money (loan = bailout, it's the same) is not expected nor welcome. It's not a endless stack of cash. So you can't give money to everyone who comes asking.

The big three have a credit score of zero. Giving to citi is an investment, giving to the Big three potentially a huge waste. So of course the Big three has harder questions, more demands, etc.
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild *****
When you make large political contributions-

Thought I would clear that up for you-
BINGO...you win!!
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