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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 12:15 AM
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Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

It seems that GM seems to be the followers of the industry, just changing the product a little to slide it in and still get some market share. They seem to be copying a lot of other manufactures...

SSR-Prowler
Solstice-S2000 and others....


This isnt always a bad thing. I feel the Solstice will do well and spawn a huge performance aftermarket.

Since DCX is doing so well with the dodge magnum "sort wagon" do you think this is making it easyer for GM to build a case for the Kappa nomad. Its a sport wagon that fits into compact class. The same people who would want a Magnum but ant afford it or want a V8 can get a similar concept in the Nomad.

I know this seems a little far fetched but one can hope.

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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 12:45 AM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

The Kappa Nomad was envisaged as a Mini Cooper competitor.

A true Magnum competitor should be based on Zeta. I can see a 240 horse 3.9 as a base engine...and optional 5.3 and 6.0L could bracket the Hemi RT.

But what will compete with the 420 hp, 6.1, SRT-8?
Old Aug 7, 2004 | 02:24 AM
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But what will compete with the 420 hp, 6.1, SRT-8?
Nothing. This is GM we're talking about.

Old Aug 7, 2004 | 06:24 AM
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Nothing. This is GM we're talking about.

yea think about it would be nice to have a Buic Roadmaster! think of it ROAD MASTER..with a detuned LS2 making 360 HP

hmmm call it a SSW..lol I dont know...Super Sport wagon..

OR how bout Caprice SS???????????
Old Aug 7, 2004 | 06:57 AM
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i thought the caprice was gone
Old Aug 7, 2004 | 10:03 AM
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El camino with choice hard top wagon or truck bed Make it a few ticks lighter than the dodge and throw a LS2 in , with a 6 speed manual for god sakes .
Old Aug 8, 2004 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by godofdragons
i thought the caprice was gone
Read, Listen, Learn.

http://popularmechanics.com/automoti...th/print.phtml

www.gmme.com
Old Aug 8, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

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But what will compete with the 420 hp, 6.1, SRT-8?
The 420hp 6.0 LS2?

you guys do realize that DCX's "high performance" motor is comparable to the "base" motor in the SSR, GTO and Corvette, yet we give DCX all this credit for making such a super power plant?
Old Aug 8, 2004 | 09:07 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

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you guys do realize that DCX's "high performance" motor is comparable to the "base" motor in the SSR, GTO and Corvette, yet we give DCX all this credit for making such a super power plant?


HEMI

everything else

Old Aug 8, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

The hemi is a newer ground up motor that has more potenial. Just like the LS1 does over the Lt1. The Ls2 is just a upgraded version of the current Gen III motors.
Old Aug 8, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Turbo SS
The hemi is a newer ground up motor that has more potenial. Just like the LS1 does over the Lt1. The Ls2 is just a upgraded version of the current Gen III motors.
The Hemi has more potential compared to what? I hope you don't mean the LSx series or Ford's modular program. Last I heard the tuners still can't even crack the Hemi's PCM code making serious mods next to impossible. Thanks Mercedes!

With your turbo SS and the large aftermarket you probably know a little bit about the potential of GM's LSx motors.
Old Aug 8, 2004 | 10:55 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

Originally Posted by Big Als Z
The 420hp 6.0 LS2?
What 420 hp LS2?

you guys do realize that DCX's "high performance" motor is comparable to the "base" motor in the SSR, GTO and Corvette, yet we give DCX all this credit for making such a super power plant?
Are you saying that the SSR's 5.3 , with 300 hp and 335 ft/lbs of torque is comparable to DCX's 5.7, with 340 hp and 390 ft/lbs?

Both motors feel great to me....it's just that one feels 40 hp and 55 ft/lbs stronger to me.

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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 11:01 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

Originally Posted by Evil Turbo SS
The hemi is a newer ground up motor that has more potenial. Just like the LS1 does over the Lt1.
That comment is laughable . The LSx family of engines has already proven just how potential they are . It produces amazing HP #'s with little mods right on up to 1300+ hp race engines , its reliable , produces amazing fuel economy and they are incredibly easy to work on . Lets wait till we see how the new kinda hemi grows before we start speaking of its superior capabilties . Right now , it hasnt been out long enuff to tell ....so at the moment its got quite a bit of catch up to play .
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 01:15 AM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

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What 420 hp LS2?



Are you saying that the SSR's 5.3 , with 300 hp and 335 ft/lbs of torque is comparable to DCX's 5.7, with 340 hp and 390 ft/lbs?

Both motors feel great to me....it's just that one feels 40 hp and 55 ft/lbs stronger to me.

I guess you didnt get the Memo....SSR gets the 6.0 LS2 next year and 6spd manual.
420hp is what I hear the LS2 will really put out when dyno'ed.
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 01:23 AM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

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I guess you didnt get the Memo....SSR gets the 6.0 LS2 next year and 6spd manual.
420hp is what I hear the LS2 will really put out when dyno'ed.
My memo says that next years SSR will get a 390hp LS2.



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