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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 05:46 AM
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The Hemi is a nice motor, the new performance 6.1 Hemi will be a nice motor...but I think even the people on this site get mesmorized by the DCX marketing machine (or maybe just because it's something NOT made by GM, and subtle GM bashing has become the "in" thing). The fair thing to do will be to compare the 6.1 Hemi to the LS7 (whatever it displaces), and I have full confidence in GM Powertrain's ability to put that semi-Hemi back on the trailer.
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 08:12 AM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

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The Hemi has more potential compared to what? I hope you don't mean the LSx series or Ford's modular program. Last I heard the tuners still can't even crack the Hemi's PCM code making serious mods next to impossible. Thanks Mercedes!
Here-Here!

And I am predicting that if DCX doesn't open up and support the aftermarket by releasing their code, they will pay dearly. Most of the folks who would pay extra for the top "semi-hemi" are ones that want to drop more cash on customization. Without it, they'll soon move elsewhere.
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 09:30 AM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
The fair thing to do will be to compare the 6.1 Hemi to the LS7 (whatever it displaces), and I have full confidence in GM Powertrain's ability to put that semi-Hemi back on the trailer.
I think the 6.1 Hemi will be compared to the LS2 and it's off-shoots. The LS7 will end up being compared to the current...and future DCX V10.

This is really going to get interesting! GM and DCX will be worthy adversaries.
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:14 PM
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I think the 6.1 Hemi will be compared to the LS2 and it's off-shoots. The LS7 will end up being compared to the current...and future DCX V10.
Actually if we're going to go "very best of what we got to very best of what you've got" I'd compare this rumored upcoming Hemi V10 to whatever will go in the Blue Devil Vette if produced of course (twin turbo LS7???)

Either way the motors in this price range are so exotic, so limited, you and I probably won't have to worry too much about A) Purchasing one and B) encountering one.
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 01:49 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

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Actually if we're going to go "very best of what we got to very best of what you've got" I'd compare this rumored upcoming Hemi V10 to whatever will go in the Blue Devil Vette if produced of course (twin turbo LS7???)

Either way the motors in this price range are so exotic, so limited, you and I probably won't have to worry too much about A) Purchasing one and B) encountering one.
I don't know about that. The 6.1 Hemi will be attainable...even to regular folk. It will be to DCX, what LS2 is to GM. DCX cars with the 6.1 will be priced in the mid 30's. You won't find an LS7 car for under 60K.


The LS7 will be far more exotic than the 6.1, with it's one off bore/stroke ratio and possibly dry sump oiling system.....among other things. It will also put out lots more power than the 6.1 Hemi.....and of course be more expensive to manufacture. As we know, it will be hand built in limited quantities at the Wixom performance center.
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 05:12 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

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I don't know about that. The 6.1 Hemi will be attainable...even to regular folk. It will be to DCX, what LS2 is to GM. DCX cars with the 6.1 will be priced in the mid 30's. You won't find an LS7 car for under 60K.
No, I mean the Hemi V10 and a possible turbo LS7 will be rather unattainable.
Old Aug 9, 2004 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
This is really going to get interesting! GM and DCX will be worthy adversaries.
Why did I get this image of Lutz and that Ziter guy fighting with light sabers?....
Old Aug 10, 2004 | 03:00 PM
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Old Aug 14, 2004 | 03:55 AM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

It seems the aftermarket is realling diggging the new Hemi. Rip off artist hennessy has a turbo kit for the 300c and magnums.
Old Aug 15, 2004 | 11:10 PM
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GM hasn't done too well of a job following Ford's lead in the pony car market.
Old Aug 15, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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It seems the aftermarket is realling diggging the new Hemi. Rip off artist hennessy has a turbo kit for the 300c and magnums.
too bad no one can crack the DCX computer.
Old Aug 15, 2004 | 11:39 PM
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I think everyone here knows that the LSx and Ford mod motors are better bcuz you can make more power out of them while being very tame. What no one has said is that it isn't what potential is in the motor that sells cars, it is what the car comes with. With the 300 cars there is nothing even comparable in the same class and with the new SRT8, there isn't anything left except a Cadillac for another 15k or so. Whether the LSx , Mod, or HEMI motors have more potential has yet to be seen, until someone cracks the HEMI code.

Right now, DC is sitting pretty good. They have the most power V8 available. While some say that the LS7 and Blue Devil engines will be more powerful, we still don't know much about the rumored HEMI 10 and the NEW 426 HEMI(Whats a famous auto show?).

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Old Aug 16, 2004 | 12:22 PM
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Re: Since GM seems to follow with a twist.....

Originally Posted by Big Als Z
too bad no one can crack the DCX computer.

It seems they have. In the installed turbo kit price it lists dyno tuning. And again people had a hard time getting the ls1s tuned for about 3 years after the motor hit the streets.
Old Aug 16, 2004 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Turbo SS
The hemi is a newer ground up motor that has more potenial. Just like the LS1 does over the Lt1. The Ls2 is just a upgraded version of the current Gen III motors.
The LSx engines were a ground up design too, The Hemi came out 4 years later because it took DC time to copy the Gen III design. In a way the Hemi and Gen IV can both be seen as evolutions of the LS1/GenIII, except I'd say the Gen IV has more potential since it have the Gen III aftermarket and history to build from. Plus 3 valve heads are on the way for the Gen IV V8's


Originally Posted by Evil Turbo SS
SSR-Prowler
Solstice-S2000 and others....
SSR does follow in the footsteps of other Retro $40K convertables, but the Solstice doesn't seem to be following anyone. GM didn't invent the 4 cyl. roadster segmant but the Solstice is in a class of it's own. S2000 is $12,000+ (50%+) more expensive. Miata is more expensive, smaller, and weaker. I see it more of the Solstice is to the S2000 as the 350Z is to the Vette

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