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Should the 5th Gen V8 run on 87 octane?

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Old Jul 13, 2005 | 07:31 AM
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Re: Should the 5th Gen V8 run on 87 octane?

It was my understanding that modern ECM's are sophisticated enough to pull the timing if detonation is detected so you can run the lower octane fuel without hurting the engine.

I'm pretty sure that's what my wife's Infiniti G35 does. The owners manual states that you can run 87 octane fuel, but to get "optimum performance" you need 92 or higher.
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 10:29 AM
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Re: Should the 5th Gen V8 run on 87 octane?

Originally Posted by muckz
Well, Diesel gets its name from its inventor, Rudolf Diesel. Miller gets its name from its inventor, Ralph Millerf, who patented the technology in the 1940s. The regular engines are actually Otto-cycle engines because they were invented by Nikolaus Otto.

A Miller-cycle engine uses a supercharger, but it also leaves the intake valve open during part of the compression stroke, so that the engine is compressing against the pressure of the supercharger rather than the pressure of the cylinder walls. The piston does less work because part of the work is done by the supercharger. The piston compresses about 70 to 80% of its total movement upward in the compression stroke, and the other 20 to 30% are essentially "free ride" with no energy loss. This cycle works only if the supercharger can compress the air in the cylinder at less energy than the piston. Hence, it has increased efficiency.
That is the thing... the Miller cycle supposedly is a "5 cycle" if you want to call the part of the where the piston is moving up and the intake valve is open a cycle. That 20% is maybe a free ride for the piston, but work is still being done by the SC.

Ah well, my thinking is that Miller and Atkinson's should really be considered subsets of Otto types, since essentially you can do a cam swap to change them. However you can't change an Otto to a Diesel or Wenkel with just a cam (or a cam+SC).
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:09 PM
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Re: Should the 5th Gen V8 run on 87 octane?

Originally Posted by NBred94
It was my understanding that modern ECM's are sophisticated enough to pull the timing if detonation is detected so you can run the lower octane fuel without hurting the engine.

I'm pretty sure that's what my wife's Infiniti G35 does. The owners manual states that you can run 87 octane fuel, but to get "optimum performance" you need 92 or higher.
Correct. The Lt1s are the ones that started that for Chevy, atleast in v8s.
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 09:41 AM
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Re: Should the 5th Gen V8 run on 87 octane?

Originally Posted by bossco
yes, but I beleive it was a miller cycle engine IIRC??
Yes. Miller Cycle is that the intake valve stays open a little longer on compression stroke, pressure being created by the supercharger. It's pretty neat, but as said, not as unique as the rotary. Apparently, the Miller Cycle is most prevalent in marine applications. Ward's Automotive has some write ups on it. The Miller was used from 95 - 02 in the top of line "S" model, when the Millenia was discontinued.
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