Satun Ion Redline Disappoints...will the Cobalt SS be different?
03-30-2004, 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by hp_nut
You're gonna need a $6K iron truck shortblock before you go dumping any serious boost or N2O on that LS1. Otherwise it's engine go boom time at the track.
There's an economical factor to factory engineered boosted motors. Compression ratio, forged rotating assembly, over-engineered block, fuel system, computer tunability...
Nope, you can't just do whatever the SRT or Evo or Cobra owner does, because you gotta throw 3x money at it.
You're gonna need a $6K iron truck shortblock before you go dumping any serious boost or N2O on that LS1. Otherwise it's engine go boom time at the track.
There's an economical factor to factory engineered boosted motors. Compression ratio, forged rotating assembly, over-engineered block, fuel system, computer tunability...
Nope, you can't just do whatever the SRT or Evo or Cobra owner does, because you gotta throw 3x money at it.
The Cobra is the only motor that has a prayer of reaching that time with anything resembling equivalent money - and a big displacement, forced induction small block will waste it.
Sorry, Chevrolet wins the power to dollar contest every time, unless you're burning nitromethane.
03-31-2004, 01:42 AM
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Sorry kinda off topic but I agree with Pacer. Its two different worlds. Some people like pumping lots of power into little 4 cylinders and some people like big v8's. Whatever floats your boat. But with the same mods, the v8 is gonna win everytime. MrBonus still has a point, his car will be faster than mostly all cars he encounters, but Pacer's argument is still correct.
03-31-2004, 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by PacerX
8 seconds fast enough on the aluminum block?
The Cobra is the only motor that has a prayer of reaching that time with anything resembling equivalent money - and a big displacement, forced induction small block will waste it.
Sorry, Chevrolet wins the power to dollar contest every time, unless you're burning nitromethane.
8 seconds fast enough on the aluminum block?
The Cobra is the only motor that has a prayer of reaching that time with anything resembling equivalent money - and a big displacement, forced induction small block will waste it.
Sorry, Chevrolet wins the power to dollar contest every time, unless you're burning nitromethane.
Yup a $20K solid roller race motor LS1 with cam bigger than the hoover dam, 4000stall converter TH-400, stripped 2900lb Camaro. Sounds like heaven on the street. A boosted, daily drivable 9 sec Camaro will have an iron LS 6.0 forged short block costing roughly $6-7K minimum.
Cobras are already in the 9s on the stock longblock. They'll be in the 8s this year with less than $5K in the motor(blower, injectors,tune) at FULL WEIGHT and ACCESSORIES, idling and putting around the street like a stocker. I've seen 1200hp twin turbo small blocks, the Cobra 4.6 is already doing 1000hp with a turbo setup on the stock longblock. 4V DOHC makes up for the 1.1L disadvantage.
The facts simply show that a factory boosted motor wins the dollars to hp contest every time. Everyone likes to think they can just strap a blower on and make big hp. It never happens.
03-31-2004, 08:57 AM
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Everytime I hear that, hp_nut, I dream of my next prospective project:
A turbocharged Competition Orange '04 Cobra 'Vert. Let it make a quick 600+WHP, throw in a solid rear and some drag radials, and no one would know what hit them.
A turbocharged Competition Orange '04 Cobra 'Vert. Let it make a quick 600+WHP, throw in a solid rear and some drag radials, and no one would know what hit them.
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04-01-2004, 03:10 PM
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Yeah, turbo cars respond well to mods, but I would never buy one. If something breaks on your exotic TT 300ZX TT Supra, TT RX-7, EVO, or STI, it will be ridiciusly expensive to fix because these are low volume, exotic machines. I have heard horror stories with turbocharged cars blowing up. Unless you have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on these cars, I'd say forget it.
If you want to go fast for real cheap, just buy a crapped out 3rd Gen Camaro for $500. Put about $20,000 in a blown big block, trans, rear-end, and watch out
If you want to go fast for real cheap, just buy a crapped out 3rd Gen Camaro for $500. Put about $20,000 in a blown big block, trans, rear-end, and watch out
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