That survey is total BS. What were the age groups asked? What types of towns did they survery? Total population etc. There are SO many variables it makes that survey a waste of time to read.

If Lincoln is the leading prefered car for republicans then obviously they didnt ask anyone under the age of 45. Or for democrats they asked people under the age of 45. I am an independent but leaning towards democrat and i dont like Imports. You could deliver from this tread that republicans are locked into the "if it aint broke dont fix it" attitude and the democrats are "if this is all you are going to offer then i am going to look else where for a better price/quality"

My family has owned nothing but domestics. My grandmother who votes nader..lol drives an olds cutty classic. My mother who votes liberal drives a chevy lumina. I have a camaro SS and a Jeep Cherokee. This survey is a joke.

Some people around this board equate buying a honda with takeing a meal of an american steel workers plate. Or in the old days of being communist or unsympathetic to the American labor force. Buy American once was the battle cry of the big 3. They have since dropped the ball on numerous occasions as far as quality and priceing. The imports have tried to fill this gap offering more for less. I dont blame people for opting for the more economical choice. I love my country and would die for it but does it mean that i am going to buy an American car just to say i buy American instead of looking for a reasonable car is stupid. Once again brand loyalty means nothing as far as patriotism and even if i was to drive a honda it is a car not a political statement. Most imports on average provide better entery level vehicles. so it does make some sence since most of the colleges are in the NE and CA. Yes they are liberal. People around here get a vehicle on what they can afford, not charge now and pay later like the president likes to do *you could argue that republicans have more debt then democrats too, lets turn that one into a survey* So college students drive what they can afford. Also MA atleast is a big commuteing state almost all the good jobs are in boston which means you have to commute into the city which makes a small compact car ideal for those conditions. Like i said alot of concideration goes into this survey such as fuel prices. IN CA which i am sure is another big concideration why so many people drive 4 bangers out there not because they are white kids who like rap and have bad taste in style.

When reading surveys like this it should always be taken with a grain of salt if any of you have taken sociology courses you would realize this.

 

No, it's b/c we can't read farther back into the past than yesterdays newspaper and are doomed to repeat the same old mistakes. And we're too focused in on our little world to see waht is really happening around us...but we saved $10 bucks in gas this week!

Corporate brainwashing like sociolgy, and psycology are part of the reason we're so screwed up now!
Whether you think so or not, what you buy speaks loud and clear to those Corporate and Political forces shaping your world....

 

No, it really isn't if you look at it .

It doesn't matter what age they were. It matter if they are Democrats, Republicans, or Independants. Age plays no role in this.

Again, these things do NOT matter AT ALL. It shows a split of Democrats and Republicans that is almost identitcal in percentages to the last presidential election.

It does not matter what your age is, where you live, what color you are or anything else. A Republican is a Republican, and a Democrat is a Democrat, no matter what your age, location or anything else is.

You are not reading the stats right. It NO WHERE says Lincoln is the leading car purchased by Republicans. It says Republicans are the people who most purachase Lincolns. There is a HUGE difference... It's not saying 90,000 out of the group polled owned Lincolns. It is saying OF THOSE POLLED WHO OWNED A LINCOLN, 39.3% of them (the majority of the 3 groups) were Republicans.

This makes no sense either. Irrelevant. If a Democrat thinks that Chevy's got poor quality, go try Ford of Chrysler. Heck, most people don't know that GM owns Chevy, Pontiac and Saturn anyway, so you could trhow the other two GM's in for good measure. And, again, if these are truly working people, they should take PRIDE in what THEY and their American Union brethren are building.

How many poeple can not understand that a trend does not mean EVERYONE is like that. Also, earlier in your very own reply, you listed yourself as INDEPENDANT LEANING TOWARD DEMOCRAT. By definition, that makes you INDEPENDANT... so, your purchases would not swing the vote of this poll anyway!!!

This is a wonderful rant about about reasons, in your opinion, why it's OK to buy imports... that is fine, again, the point of this post was not to debate whether it is "OK" or not to buy imports... the point is... the Democrats, who declare themselves "the working man's party", the one that the UAW and most other unioons support.... are 100% totally hypocritical because they are the high percentage owner of most of the imported brands.


If the sample was skewed, yes...however.... There is nothing here that can be called a skewed sample, as I addressed above. If you had taken and statistical course, you would realize this.

 

Demographic has a LOT to do with this. Age and location could change this survey very easily.

 

Again.

A Democrat is a Democrat... whether he is 25, 55, or 85. Whether he lives in New York, Kansas, or California. Whether he is black, white, or native American. Whether he is rich, middle class or poor.

Same is said for Republicans.

The percenatges of those polled show a perfectly acceptible mix of Republicans, Democrats, and Independants, based on the last Preidential election.

 

Like BigAl said, i think a lot of it is just demographics. Just look at all the domestic brands listed in the republican section (Lincoln, Buick, Mercury, Cadillac, Chrysler). They're all old-people cars and its no surprise that older people tend to be more conservative with their political beliefs....more so than younger people.

To further prove that, there's no chevy, no pontiac, no saturn, no Ford, etc.... none of the mainstream domestic brands that have a younger demography are listed in the republican section. I'd be interested in figures for the more mainstream brands like these.

 

If you look at the numbers, you can figure that the mainstream brands were dominated by Independants and not listed because they would be basically "neutral" in this comparision... as I showed earlier int his thread.

Again, demographics have NOTHING to do with these stats...

The *ONLY* way demographics could play a part is if a skewed sample was polled (an out-of-proportion amount of Democrats vs Replubicans or vice versa), however, as clearly stated in the text, the percentage of Republicans and Democrats virtaully matched the last presidential election exactly.

I don't know how else to say this...

If you have a red ball and a green ball... that red ball is still a red ball whether it is 1 year old, 10 years old, or 75 years old... that same red ball is still a red ball wether it is surround by other red *****, a mix of red and green *****, or every ball around him is green... it's still a red ball. At what point do all the people questioning these stats think that the red ball is magically going to turn green because of demographics?!?


I just don't understand how this is not being understood.

 

I admit, I know next to nothing about polls, sampling, etc…. But to say that demographics have zero bearing on the results or figures? That sounds flawed. They certainly didn’t break the patterns by age, but even the article points at how the South had a higher concentration of polled republicans/domestics when compared to the coastal regions that had a higher import/liberal populace. Is that not demographics?

Demographics can be applied to just about any poll. Even to a poll pertaining to voting patterns based off car purchases. The fact remains that the majority of the republican’s polled in this specific poll bought domestic luxury brands that are predominantly purchased by the older populace . And vice versa, the liberals polled in this thread bought mostly cheap and affordable Japanese imports that usually have a younger demography than the domestic luxury brands. This all points to the general conception that younger people vote liberal while older people tend to vote conservative. Hence why I thought demographics played a role in the results. In many ways, the results weren't that surprising to me.

So I’m just looking at the results differently and trying to see what factors could have affected car purchasing habits, etc… I’m not saying the poll is flawed or that it is skewed. Just comparing it to general trends.

Btw: Your ball analogy isn’t the best.

 

Perhaps I should have worded it better.

Yes, demographics plays a roll in this poll, but the sampling is perfectly fine, as shown by the percentages of Democrats and Republicans, due to the fact that they are nearly identical to the percentages from the last presidential election. This shows that the sample is an acceptible and realistic representation of the nation.

Yes, demographics come into play... but the demographics shown are perfectly acceptible.... so it's not an issue in this sampling.


No, that is untrue... I have explained this a few times already.

The majority of Republicans polled did not necessarily buy mostly Lincoln's and other "old people cars"... what these numbers are saying is that of the people polled who owned Lincoln's, the majority were Republicans. ... once again, this is a HUGE difference. I am sure that Lincoln's were probably one of the lower cars in terms of total numbers... as was Subaru on the other side... everyone knows these cars don't sell int he volume that Chevy's and Ford's do.

Of the people polled who owned Subaru's the majority were Democrats. There is no reason why these folks could not have purchased a similarly priced domestic equivilant... just like the "old Republicans" who bought Lincolns could have bought BMW's or Lexus' or Mercedes...


The only factor that matters is if the buyer was a Democrat, a Republican, or an Independant. It does NOT matter if what age they were or anything else. A 25 year old Republican who lives in New York is just as much a Republican as a 75 year old Republican who lives in Kansas.

How come? At what point does the red ball not count as a red ball because of how old it is or where it resides?

 

guion,
Whether its car info or politics, I just tend to like what you have to say I find it interesting the 2 things I despise the most about Bush are the EXACT two things you dislike. The primary dislike is the complete lack of fiscal responsibility. And if he keeps blowing stuff up, you're right...we have a deep, deep fiscal hole to crawl out of.

Darth,
I know this has nothing to do with presidents. I just like to use any place possible to tell the world I dislike the president. A lot. A whole lot. However, the survey is fascinating...and at least in Western MA, relevant. There are some VERY liberal people in this area...they all drive Subaru Outbacks and Hondas And no, that is NOT a generalization, either.

I wonder what these same people thought months back when they saw a white and orange Camaro with a "3" sticker, a U.S. Marine Corp sticker and a "Re-defeat Bush" sticker all on the back window. I got a lot of thumbs up on that display...guys in trucks probably liked the 3 and the Marines, Outbacks liked the Bush one.

I crack myself up

 

Interesting study. Interesting responses

It works for my family

 

I find it amusing that the democrats posting can't even read the poll properly. Its now clear that the dems own the did not graduate bracket.

 

I read it properly, worm. Actually, I'll be receiving my MBA in a few short months, my reading and writing skills are fantastic, but please go crawl back in your hole now and leave Democrats alone.

By the way...sorry to see I share the same city of residence as you. My profile still says South Deerfield because I wish I was there...

 

Any Idea what the Communist party likes? how about Socialists? I'm guessing the Green party isn't HUMMERs #1 customer.