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Originally posted by Z284ever
Stimulated by the other thread on foreign sales...I find this intriguing.
Why not a a S/C or better yet turbo version for overseas.
I think a 250-280 hp Turbo Ecotec Camaro might be just the ticket for Europe or Asia.
Chrysler has been selling turbo versions of their cars (ones we can't get here, due to emissions), in Mexico and South America for years....and with great success.
Stimulated by the other thread on foreign sales...I find this intriguing.
Why not a a S/C or better yet turbo version for overseas.
I think a 250-280 hp Turbo Ecotec Camaro might be just the ticket for Europe or Asia.
Chrysler has been selling turbo versions of their cars (ones we can't get here, due to emissions), in Mexico and South America for years....and with great success.
Let Cavalier or Vibe or something like that go after that market.
By trying to make the base Camaro a 'rice-fighter' , you are likely to alienate your core group, and not likely, IMO, to get a lot of 'ricer buyers' to go for a Camaro anyway...
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
IMO, that is not the market Camaro appeals to at all.
Let Cavalier or Vibe or something like that go after that market.
By trying to make the base Camaro a 'rice-fighter' , you are likely to alienate your core group, and not likely, IMO, to get a lot of 'ricer buyers' to go for a Camaro anyway...
IMO, that is not the market Camaro appeals to at all.
Let Cavalier or Vibe or something like that go after that market.
By trying to make the base Camaro a 'rice-fighter' , you are likely to alienate your core group, and not likely, IMO, to get a lot of 'ricer buyers' to go for a Camaro anyway...
I ask because the Cavalier & Mustang are pretty close in size, the next Camaro is likely going to be coupe, GM is more likely to boost F5 performance via lighter vweight than a massive increase of horsepower, and the idea of 340hp or so in a chassis that's lightweight enough (but still is rigid) to get 3800 V6 performance with just a normal aspirated Ecotec has me all hot & bothered.
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Originally posted by guionM
Is there a way to develop a car that appeals to both?
Is there a way to develop a car that appeals to both?
You have to assume Cavalier (or whatever the 05 version will be called) is going to be around whether there is a Camaro or not... so why not try to make each the best in it's respective catagory?
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
IMO, that is not the market Camaro appeals to at all.
Let Cavalier or Vibe or something like that go after that market.
By trying to make the base Camaro a 'rice-fighter' , you are likely to alienate your core group, and not likely, IMO, to get a lot of 'ricer buyers' to go for a Camaro anyway...
IMO, that is not the market Camaro appeals to at all.
Let Cavalier or Vibe or something like that go after that market.
By trying to make the base Camaro a 'rice-fighter' , you are likely to alienate your core group, and not likely, IMO, to get a lot of 'ricer buyers' to go for a Camaro anyway...
I don't think we can necessarilly compare it to Cavalier....because Camaro would be a international RWD performance coupe.
Who knows....once they catch on, maybe we can send them some fire-breathing V8 Z/28's.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
But maybe Camaro needs to appeal to a broader market. If it's not apprpriate for NA..(and I believe we are about to have an interesting debate on this here), maybe an "export" model could be developed with normally aspirated, supercharged or turbocharged Ecotec.
But maybe Camaro needs to appeal to a broader market. If it's not apprpriate for NA..(and I believe we are about to have an interesting debate on this here), maybe an "export" model could be developed with normally aspirated, supercharged or turbocharged Ecotec.
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Not too likely. What is the problem with a strong NA V6 in the base car?
Not too likely. What is the problem with a strong NA V6 in the base car?
Problem #2. A turbo Ecotec would be cheaper, better fit into the new GM performance Ecotec image, and turbo engines are U*N*B*E*L*I*E*V*A*B*L*Y hotroddable.
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