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Old Jun 4, 2006 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by WERM
My only point with the AVEO is that it should be getting 45 Highway and 35 CITY. I had an 89 grand am that was a total POS, but it got over 30MPG hwy, had 140 HP and was light enough to be quick. Here we are, 17 years later and an econobox can hardly beat it in either performance or fuel economy.
17 years later with a lot more safety regulations that add nothing but weight to all cars. My aveo is over 3200#. That 89 grand am was around 2800#. When a sub compact has to weigh 3200# to meet safety standards, it makes it tough to make huge strides in fuel economy. They have made strides, but the added pounds have negated that somewhat. And since im on topic of safety now... When is enough enough? I may be stupid here, but auto deaths arent going down substantially even though the cars are a million times more safe. When are they going to stop adding safety goodies and start demanding that people just drive responsibly? Imagine if the aveo was the smae weight as a 89 civic hatchback. What were they like 2055 pounds? That was a sub compact. Imagine the MPG the aveo would get without 1200 pounds. Safety standards are the reason we are so dependant on foreign oil!!!

Edit: The 06 civic is 2751 lbs... Why does my aveo come in so much heavier?

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Old Jun 4, 2006 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RussStang
How exactly do you intend to avoid another debate related response, when you type something stupid like "none of you guys know what your talking about anyways"? Way to think that out.
Well what I mean is firstly its a car forum with car people seriously we aren't gonna get some deep political debate going here, plus everyone has their own opinion on these topics and its not like anyone is gonna change their minds anyways, so whats the point? Lets just keep it on cars.
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MarineReconZ28
The 06 civic is 2751 lbs... Why does my aveo come in so much heavier?
Engineering.
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 09:28 PM
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Obviously GM is NOT the evil here...our culture, constant bombardments of advertising, doses of Fear in all media, but for a change we must look within NOT to someone else...
...a thought on war, by Jiddu Krishnamurti...
Obviously what causes war is the desire for power, position, prestige, money; also the disease called nationalism, the worship of a flag; and the disease of organized religion, the worship of a dogma. All these are the causes of war; if you as an individual belong to any of the organized religions, if you are greedy for power, if you are envious, you are bound to produce a society which will result in destruction. So again it depends upon you and not on the leaders – not on so-called statesmen and all the rest of them. It depends upon you and me but we do not seem to realize that. If once we really felt the responsibility of our own actions, how quickly we could bring to an end all these wars, this appalling misery! But you see, we are indifferent. We have three meals a day, we have our jobs, we have our bank account, big or little, and we say, “For God’s sake, don’t disturb us, leave us alone”. The higher up we are, the more we want security, permanency, tranquility, the more we want to be left alone, to maintain things fixed as they are; but they cannot be maintained as they are, because there is nothing to maintain. Everything is disintegrating. We do not want to face these things, we do not want to face the fact that you and I are responsible for wars. You and I may talk about peace, have conferences, sit round a table and discuss, but inwardly, psychologically, we want power, position, we are bound by beliefs, by dogmas, for which we are willing to die and destroy each other. Do you think such men, you and I, can have peace in the world? To have peace, we must be peaceful; to live peacefully means not to create antagonism. Peace is not an ideal. To me, an ideal is merely an escape, an avoidance of what is, a contradiction of what is. An ideal prevents direct action upon what is - which we will go into presently, in another talk. [not on this website] But to have peace, we will have to love, we will have to begin, not to live an ideal life, but to see things as they are and act upon them, transform them. As long as each one of us is seeking psychological security, the physiological security we need – food, clothing and shelter – is destroyed. We are seeking psychological security, which does not exist; and we seek it, if we can, through power, through position, through titles, names – all of which is destroying physical security. This is an obvious fact, if you look at it.
Stuff you won't learn in our Corporate training camps, we call schools...
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MarineReconZ28
17 years later with a lot more safety regulations that add nothing but weight to all cars. My aveo is over 3200#. That 89 grand am was around 2800#. When a sub compact has to weigh 3200# to meet safety standards, it makes it tough to make huge strides in fuel economy. They have made strides, but the added pounds have negated that somewhat. And since im on topic of safety now... When is enough enough? I may be stupid here, but auto deaths arent going down substantially even though the cars are a million times more safe. When are they going to stop adding safety goodies and start demanding that people just drive responsibly? Imagine if the aveo was the smae weight as a 89 civic hatchback. What were they like 2055 pounds? That was a sub compact. Imagine the MPG the aveo would get without 1200 pounds. Safety standards are the reason we are so dependant on foreign oil!!!

Edit: The 06 civic is 2751 lbs... Why does my aveo come in so much heavier?
Are you sure that it does? I thought the Aveo was around 2600-2700.

As for the reason the Corolla or Civic get better mileage, they have variable valve timing, which helps optimize power and economy. Also, they probably have a newer engine. Remember that Daewoo was in liquidation when GM bought pieces of it -- they probably fell behind in engine design during that time.
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 10:14 PM
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well -- interesting ramblings from Jiddu -- but I don't quite agree.

I'm not saying that the United States is perfect -- by any stretch. However, there are evil rulers in this world. You can say what you want -- but the guy in Iraq was killing hundreds of thousands of people. It's funny -- when Hitler did it, it was a world autrocity --- but it appears that the world kinda turned their backs on Saddam doing it. I don't think for one minute that the United States wants to take over the middle east -- making it the 51st state.

What I DO believe is that our country believes in freedom for all. When the world needs someone to come to their aid, we're there. We constantly put together countries after disaster....yet we're still hated.

We can debate 'til the cows come home -- but I'll put it to you very simply:

THEY WANT YOU DEAD.

That's right -- Al Queda -- and a lot of Islamic Fundamentalists want YOU dead.

Now -- if that doesn't wake you -- or Jiddu up -- I don't know what will.

I know this post has gotten off-track -- probably my fault -- as I asked the question "where was Friedman on 9/11?" -- my meaning was "how can he forget what happened?" I dunno -- mebbe he believes it was "An American Conspiracy" like way too many people on the internet believe.
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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Another thought --

I have a cousin who taught Ancient Religion and History -- primarily middle eastern -- in a University. She was personal friends with both Golda Mier (sp?) and Menahem Begin (sp?) --

We were having lunch over Christmas -- and of course the conversation wandered to the Middle East situation.

I said "Clary -- you're a smart woman -- you've studied this for years and years and have travelled there often -- and knew some of the players -- tell me: What IS the key to middle east peace?"

And she simply smiled -- took a sip of water -- and said:

"Scott -- the world needs to understand that Islamic Fundamentalists are crazy --- I'm not being faceteous here... they're crazy -- and until the world learns this, there will be no middle east peace."


..............alrightythen!
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fbodfather
It's funny -- when Hitler did it, it was a world autrocity --- but it appears that the world kinda turned their backs on Saddam doing it.
If I remember my history right, many people didn't even realize the depths of Hitler's lunacy/atrocities until many years after WWII...I suspect things could be similar now...
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WERM
The Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11. No Iraqi links were ever found.
Mostly true. But the Germans had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor either, yet the strategic decision was made to focus more resources on them than on Japan.

In retrospect, some things should have been done better, but turning Iraq is a critical component in the global war on islamo-fascism.
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by teal98
Are you sure that it does? I thought the Aveo was around 2600-2700.
Wow! I was way wrong. I must have read it backwards somewhere. Its listed as 2376. Ooops. Now I dont feel so bad about the weight, but worse about the mileage. (Hasnt been bad for me.) I should have known better then to think it was 3200lbs though. Now that just sounds silly.

Forget about my post about the weight issues. Im an idiot...
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MarineReconZ28
Wow! I was way wrong. I must have read it backwards somewhere. Its listed as 2376. Ooops. Now I dont feel so bad about the weight, but worse about the mileage. (Hasnt been bad for me.) I should have known better then to think it was 3200lbs though. Now that just sounds silly.
You must have transposed the numbers. I rented an Aveo back in October 2004 on a trip to Washington DC, and it seemed like a nice little car. I don't remember what kind of mileage I got -- probably around 30. What do you get?
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 11:48 PM
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Oh jeez - it's turned political. One of the nice things about coming to these Forums was the LACK of political arguements.

I'll only say this....Dammit Scott, quit posting that kind of stuff or I'll have to start liking you.

Bob
Old Jun 5, 2006 | 12:01 AM
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Well I commute almost 200 miles everyday, so its a lot of highway miles. But I usually get 34-35 mpg on a tank. Ive gotten as low as 30 with some good weekend city miles, and as high as 38.8 all highway. But I think I can do better then 38 if I slow it down a bit. I keep it around 80-85 almost the whole drive in the morning (3:30am to 5am no traffic) And I dont have a very flat or straight commute. The backroads on my drive home have a good amount of 15-35 mph corners going up and down hills. So I think I could do a little better with some flat land and a little less foot in the pedal. But I do like my car. Except the way it looks. Girls dont dig the aveo...
Old Jun 5, 2006 | 12:59 AM
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I'm not saying that the United States is perfect -- by any stretch. However, there are evil rulers in this world. You can say what you want -- but the guy in Iraq was killing hundreds of thousands of people. It's funny -- when Hitler did it, it was a world autrocity --- but it appears that the world kinda turned their backs on Saddam doing it. I don't think for one minute that the United States wants to take over the middle east -- making it the 51st state.

What I DO believe is that our country believes in freedom for all. When the world needs someone to come to their aid, we're there. We constantly put together countries after disaster....yet we're still hated.

We can debate 'til the cows come home -- but I'll put it to you very simply:

THEY WANT YOU DEAD.

That's right -- Al Queda -- and a lot of Islamic Fundamentalists want YOU dead.

Now -- if that doesn't wake you -- or Jiddu up -- I don't know what will.

I know this post has gotten off-track -- probably my fault -- as I asked the question "where was Friedman on 9/11?" -- my meaning was "how can he forget what happened?" I dunno -- mebbe he believes it was "An American Conspiracy" like way too many people on the internet believe.
100% Agree.

I also agree about Islamo-fascists being nuts. Flying a plane full of people into the World Trade Center isn't war - it's just psychosis. Plain old nuts. I say this because for a violent act to be useful as a tool of war, it must have some realistic chance of providing military advantage. The 911 attacks failed utterly at this. The central logic fallacy of these mideast terrorists was to think, and be deluded by, the ridiculous notion that the USA would just slink off into a corner and hide if we were confronted or dealt a blow. It's amazing to think, any group could be so misguided. After America has shed so much blood for her freedom and the freedom of her friends - it's nonsense of the purest kind to think we would EVER just throw in the towel and say "oh well - freedom's not worth it anymore". If there's one thing our foes need to know, it's that America still stands behind these words of President John F. Kennedy:

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
Old Jun 5, 2006 | 01:40 AM
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The accusations against GM related to its gas cards are retarded, but sadly predictable. The moment I saw the offer in my mail box, I was thinking about what a field day the anti-GM crowd would have with this promotion.

I could predict that this would be a disaster, and I'm a liberal arts student. How could the negative consequences of offering gas cards have escaped the supposedly specialized suits at GM marketing?

It's the product stupid. The ad I got said that I could get a year of $1.99 a gallon if I bought a Grand Prix, and as an aside mentioned that the car gets 30 mpg. How about just taking that stat - and it is a good stat - and blowing it up in a magazine ad? Similarly, GM ought to be broadcasting the Tahoe's 20 mpg to the entire friggen world. There's a psychological significance to 20 mpg that the engineers understood when they got the truck to that mark. The advertising department needs to take up there end and tell everyone that the GMT-900's, gas card or not, are cheaper at the pump than any of their competitors.



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