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Problem i see in 5th Gen camaro (HP related)

Old Aug 22, 2005 | 09:59 PM
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Re: Problem i see in 5th Gen camaro (HP related)

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Best I have ever seen a stock LS1 go is mid 13's, does that mean just because I have not seen one go faster that they are not capable of it? I've seen quite a few 14 second LS1's as well, but I know better than to think they are all that slow.
no, heck i've seen the same camaro different drivers post a 15.0 and a 13.2 with different drivers...

on an lt1, the chick that put down the 13.2 got a 14.0, and after headers shiftkit, exhuast, ram air, the best run has been 14.1...

it doesnt really matter about what someone can teach you about it... its about what the average joe shmoe can do... If you have to be an educated driver to hit sub 14 seconds, your car doesnt do sub 14's... if it takes an educated driver to get 0-60 in 5.6 seconds it doesnt really do that... because average joe here cant do it...
Old Aug 23, 2005 | 02:53 AM
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no, heck i've seen the same camaro different drivers post a 15.0 and a 13.2 with different drivers...

on an lt1, the chick that put down the 13.2 got a 14.0, and after headers shiftkit, exhuast, ram air, the best run has been 14.1...

it doesnt really matter about what someone can teach you about it... its about what the average joe shmoe can do... If you have to be an educated driver to hit sub 14 seconds, your car doesnt do sub 14's... if it takes an educated driver to get 0-60 in 5.6 seconds it doesnt really do that... because average joe here cant do it...
Old Aug 23, 2005 | 12:45 PM
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my 96 Z28 has put down a sub-14 second run stock(13.96 but it's still sub-14 ). mind you it was on a very cool august day with low humidity and a very good launch by me. and i also know guys that can't get out of the 14s in the same conditions with mods. it's all about the driver i think. ever see how much quarter mile times differ from magazine to magazine?
Old Aug 23, 2005 | 01:03 PM
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Re: Problem i see in 5th Gen camaro (HP related)

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it doesnt really matter about what someone can teach you about it... its about what the average joe shmoe can do... If you have to be an educated driver to hit sub 14 seconds, your car doesnt do sub 14's... if it takes an educated driver to get 0-60 in 5.6 seconds it doesnt really do that... because average joe here cant do it...
Sorry, I don't agree with that. A cars capabilities are just that, it's capabilities. If a driver can not drive a car to it's full potential it does not mean that the potential does not exist for it to go faster and does not make that car a slow car, only a fast car with a slow driver. By this logic, does it mean that the guy I mentioned above who got his 05 GT in Georgia to only run low-mid 14's at first not able to run the 13.39 that he ran later? I mean, according to this logic, it really couldn't do that.

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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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it's all about the driver i think. ever see how much quarter mile times differ from magazine to magazine?
Remember that 12.89 that everyone touted for the LS-1 F-body when it came out? That was with Evan Smith driving in optimal conditions. Car and Driver got the same car to only do a 13.9. Different driver, different technique, different day. Now is the Car and Driver driven LS-1 really as slow as a well driven 99 GT
Old Aug 23, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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Re: Problem i see in 5th Gen camaro (HP related)

Originally Posted by scott9050
Remember that 12.89 that everyone touted for the LS-1 F-body when it came out? That was with Evan Smith driving in optimal conditions. Car and Driver got the same car to only do a 13.9. Different driver, different technique, different day. Now is the Car and Driver driven LS-1 really as slow as a well driven 99 GT
Yeah, but as long as we are talking about potential, he also ran an 02 F-Body on a hot and humid summer day to 12.94, at which point he later remarked that if the conditions of the day were better he may have gone 12.8s or 12.7s. Although I do see where you are coming from.
Old Aug 24, 2005 | 12:08 PM
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Yeah, but as long as we are talking about potential, he also ran an 02 F-Body on a hot and humid summer day to 12.94, at which point he later remarked that if the conditions of the day were better he may have gone 12.8s or 12.7s. Although I do see where you are coming from.

Ive seen LS1's hit 12.9 all the time stock (2002's). In hot conditions.

I'm sure 12.7 is possible on a cool fall afternoon.
Old Aug 24, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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Re: Problem i see in 5th Gen camaro (HP related)

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Sorry, I don't agree with that. A cars capabilities are just that, it's capabilities. If a driver can not drive a car to it's full potential it does not mean that the potential does not exist for it to go faster and does not make that car a slow car, only a fast car with a slow driver. By this logic, does it mean that the guy I mentioned above who got his 05 GT in Georgia to only run low-mid 14's at first not able to run the 13.39 that he ran later? I mean, according to this logic, it really couldn't do that.
I've heard of one stock LT1 doing pretty low 13's, should I boast my LT1 as to being that fast? because when I go to race someone who knows what their car can do, and wins? how stupid would I feel?

I would laugh my *** off, if some mustang driver told me that their new mustang could do 13.3 and my stock 94 lt1 smoked him.

You can disagree, but I'm still gonna laugh at something thats advertized as something it cant do...

just because 1 or 2 cars have proven with 1 or 2 drivers to be relitively fast, what numbers are the majority of people doing?
Just like the 03 Cobras, I think one magazine said they could do 12.5 or 12.6 i forget, but with the way it came from factory(same street tires)... and A friend I know has a major problem with the tires that came with the car, complains they cant hook up with them. even after upgrading several things (bigger pulley) still only has his cobra to 12.7's

This reminds me of a story: One of my friends and I were talking to this other guy about his acura, and i sware, the kid was boasting about having 14 second track runs... well thats all fine and dandy until he mentioned that it was at the local 1/8 mile track. Hah, ricers, they dont know what is good to boast about lol...

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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 12:44 PM
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I beleive some of the Track times in the mags are a little to Adjusted do to outside influences Ex; Alt and so on.

But my stock LT1 did 13.8
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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I think Chevy should make the z28 stock with 380-400hp, and the ss model superchared with 450 hp. That way we could be like the damn foreign fleets and the other domestic superpower. This way the engine would be forged and already be setup for supercharging.
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 02:14 PM
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I'll be very happy with a LS2 or LS4, by 2007 the Vette will probably have a base 6.2L or more powerful LS2 (420HP?)
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 11:04 PM
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Re: Problem i see in 5th Gen camaro (HP related)

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I'll be very happy with a LS2 or LS4, by 2007 the Vette will probably have a base 6.2L or more powerful LS2 (420HP?)

With recent events coming to light, it seems the Vette will be in the 450 range before the Z28 | SS hits the streets.

Leaving a very real possibility of a 400base Z28 and 425 SS

all i can say is GM
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