View Poll Results: 5th Gen FIrebird differentiated from Camaro
Yes, AWD and LS2 + power adder is sweet!



23
24.47%
Nope, must stay true to its roots.



32
34.04%
Possibly, depends on style etc.



15
15.96%
Nope, I'm a Camaro fan!!!



24
25.53%
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Possible 5th Gen Firebird...
Re: Possible 5th Gen Firebird...
for the past 2 generations the only reason for Firebird's existance was slightly nicer/more upscale interiors to bring in the buyer who's not blinded by all out performance on the cheap. if the Camaro comes with a nice interior and a nicer still interior on a separate semi-lixury-performance trim, what reason is there for a Firebird except to drain more cash from GM's marketing purse and give the same designers an extra 2 hours of overtime to try to figure out how to make the Firebird look different enough yet spend no money on it's developement.
MAKE ONE REALLY GOOD CAR AND DIFFERENTIATE WITH TRIM LEVELS. end of topic.
MAKE ONE REALLY GOOD CAR AND DIFFERENTIATE WITH TRIM LEVELS. end of topic.
Last edited by morb|d; Jul 23, 2004 at 11:01 PM.
Re: Possible 5th Gen Firebird...
Originally Posted by morb|d
for the past 2 generations the only reason for Firebird's existance was slightly nicer/more upscale interiors to bring in the buyer who's not blinded by all out performance on the cheap. if the Camaro comes with a nice interior and a nicer still interior on a separate semi-lixury-performance trim, what reason is there for a Firebird except to drain more cash from GM's marketing purse and give the same designers an extra 2 hours of overtime to try to figure out how to make the Firebird look different enough yet spend no money on it's developement.
MAKE ONE REALLY GOOD CAR AND DIFFERENTIATE WITH TRIM LEVELS. end of topic.
MAKE ONE REALLY GOOD CAR AND DIFFERENTIATE WITH TRIM LEVELS. end of topic.
Just playing around, but seriously:
I disagree. On paper that makes great sense. But there are not many cars with real history... I'd put the Corvette, Mustang, Firebird and Camaro in that category. (lay off the flames for the few I left out) I think having the two separate cars has always been a plus.
The name brings alot of power.
Re: Possible 5th Gen Firebird...
Originally Posted by Brangeta
To be honest, I absolutely hate the way Pontiac named the versions of the Firebirds, I'd like to see them come back in a way that makes sense.
Here's the Camaro equivalent of the Firebirds as far as I know:
Camaro-Firebird
Camaro RS-???
Camaro Z28-Firebird Formula
Camaro SS- Trans Am
Camaro SS with cold air intake-Firehawk
I'd prefer it be something along these lines:
Camaro-Firebird
Camaro RS-Firebird RS
Camaro Z28-Firebird FV8 (Formula V8)
Camaro SS- Firebird TA
Camaro ZO6- Firebird FO6 (Firehawk LS6)
To me, these are less confusing (plus I'd like a Camaro and Firebird with ZO6 power). At least this way you can see the relation to the Camaro. Until last year I thought the Trans Am was the equivalent of a Z28 and thought a Formula had a V-6.
This coming from someone who considers himself to be an extreme 4th gen Camaro and Firebird know it all haha.
Here's the Camaro equivalent of the Firebirds as far as I know:
Camaro-Firebird
Camaro RS-???
Camaro Z28-Firebird Formula
Camaro SS- Trans Am
Camaro SS with cold air intake-Firehawk
I'd prefer it be something along these lines:
Camaro-Firebird
Camaro RS-Firebird RS
Camaro Z28-Firebird FV8 (Formula V8)
Camaro SS- Firebird TA
Camaro ZO6- Firebird FO6 (Firehawk LS6)
To me, these are less confusing (plus I'd like a Camaro and Firebird with ZO6 power). At least this way you can see the relation to the Camaro. Until last year I thought the Trans Am was the equivalent of a Z28 and thought a Formula had a V-6.
This coming from someone who considers himself to be an extreme 4th gen Camaro and Firebird know it all haha.You have to be the first person ever on this board to argue that cryptic alpha-numberic names are less confusing that actual words.
Re: Possible 5th Gen Firebird...
Brangeta: 1st off, the FireHawk isn't a GM or Pontiac name designation. That's all SLP, and the Camaro SS has two trim levels in a sense, the SS from CHevy and the SS from SLP with the Air lid. So basically the Firebird goes like this:
Firebird (v6) = Camaro RS
Formula = Z28
TA (WS6) = SS
MorbId: I see what you're trying to say, but having the Firebird gives consumers options, and a different style to choose from. Not to try and start an argument here, but I have heard countless times how the 98+ Camaros look like Chrysler Concordes and also as cat fish. Also how the Z28 is too plain Jane for a sports/pony car. So that's where the Firebird comes in. It offers another styling direction for consumers to choose from. And this also applies to the Firebird. Some people say the Firebird is too over the top and gaudy. So by having both cars, GM can appeal to different consumers.
Now Obviously I'd rather they be both differentiated through drivetrain, styling and handling charactersistics. But if not, just the ******d appearance could be enough.
Firebird (v6) = Camaro RS
Formula = Z28
TA (WS6) = SS
MorbId: I see what you're trying to say, but having the Firebird gives consumers options, and a different style to choose from. Not to try and start an argument here, but I have heard countless times how the 98+ Camaros look like Chrysler Concordes and also as cat fish. Also how the Z28 is too plain Jane for a sports/pony car. So that's where the Firebird comes in. It offers another styling direction for consumers to choose from. And this also applies to the Firebird. Some people say the Firebird is too over the top and gaudy. So by having both cars, GM can appeal to different consumers.
Now Obviously I'd rather they be both differentiated through drivetrain, styling and handling charactersistics. But if not, just the ******d appearance could be enough.
Last edited by Last of a Breed; Jul 24, 2004 at 12:32 PM.
Re: Possible 5th Gen Firebird...
Guys, the 4th Gen's looks are gone. The 4th Gen's designation setup is gone and it was a mess. Using these things as a reference for the 5th Gen is not gonna be accurate. Neither is asking for a car they are so far deciding not to make, the Firebird. Maybe years from now, but I wouldn't expect it to be anytime near the next Camaro's release. If we even get a "Camaro," if you know what I mean.
Re: Possible 5th Gen Firebird...
Originally Posted by Last of a Breed
MorbId: I see what you're trying to say, but having the Firebird gives consumers options, and a different style to choose from. Not to try and start an argument here, but I have heard countless times how the 98+ Camaros look like Chrysler Concordes and also as cat fish. Also how the Z28 is too plain Jane for a sports/pony car. So that's where the Firebird comes in. It offers another styling direction for consumers to choose from. And this also applies to the Firebird. Some people say the Firebird is too over the top and gaudy. So by having both cars, GM can appeal to different consumers.
Now Obviously I'd rather they be both differentiated through drivetrain, styling and handling charactersistics. But if not, just the ******d appearance could be enough.
Now Obviously I'd rather they be both differentiated through drivetrain, styling and handling charactersistics. But if not, just the ******d appearance could be enough.
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