Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by Jason E
News flash...no 18s OR body kits for '05...we got a dealer memo that both were canned...
Once I saw the '05 in person, losing the body kit is no crisis, but the 18s are something the car NEEDS................
Once I saw the '05 in person, losing the body kit is no crisis, but the 18s are something the car NEEDS................
Several people talk about the need for 18" wheels... Maybe I'm in the minority, but I just don't see the current wheels as small at all.
The GTO's wheel wells are filled out better than any GM car out there, and it's right in line with BMW as far as small wheel well gaps.
I actually like the look of the wheels too, but I think they are a bit of a pain to clean because of the way the spokes slpit at the ends...
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by Jason E
News flash...no 18s OR body kits for '05...we got a dealer memo that both were canned...
Once I saw the '05 in person, losing the body kit is no crisis, but the 18s are something the car NEEDS................
Once I saw the '05 in person, losing the body kit is no crisis, but the 18s are something the car NEEDS................
In fact it needs those wheels waaay more than hood scoops, IMO.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by Jason E
News flash...no 18s OR body kits for '05...we got a dealer memo that both were canned...
Once I saw the '05 in person, losing the body kit is no crisis, but the 18s are something the car NEEDS................
Once I saw the '05 in person, losing the body kit is no crisis, but the 18s are something the car NEEDS................
On a side note, I don't think the GTO needs bigger rims so much. It just needs nicer rims with some kind of shine to them also.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
The GTO's wheel wells are filled out better than any GM car out there, and it's right in line with BMW as far as small wheel well gaps.
The tiny wheelwells are why you can still bottom out a GTO. It's a fundimental design element, so there's no fix until Zeta.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by Jason E
No Darth, he claimed in a prior post he actually did drive it. That's how he knew it was a "crude" car that was "inferior" to a 2002 Trans Am. Wonders never cease, eh?
When I drove a 6 speed GTO, the LAST thing I thought when I got out of the car was that it was underpowered. The only people who have EVER complained it was underpowered were angry F body owners mad over the loss of their car. And yes, he loves the word "dated," as you noted. However, again...while you can say the car is not aggressive enough, it is NOT dated! There is nothing dated about it!
I can grant him the trunk, too...its pretty idiotic. But that's it. Its a great car otherwise. And I dare say the trunk issue is not much of an issue to the target buyer. Amazingly, those car mags he loves to quote all the time he seems to ignore when it comes to this car. The loudest complaints I hear about the car are from F body fans and old GTO owners...that's all.
Its funny...I went to the Hartford Auto Show Friday night. They had a production '04 model on display with the '05 upgrades. 2 guys in their early 50s were standing near me...one owned a '66 GTO and one a '69. They were babbling on and on about how it wasn't a true GTO. I piped up and asked them if they had driven one. They said no. I asked them what they felt made the car not a "true" GTO. Lack of hood scoops and "aggressive style." So I said to them, "both of your GTOs were nothing more than a LeMans with some fancier wheels and trim, with a bigger engine. This car more or less looks like what a 2 door Grand Prix would look like if they made one, with some fancy trim and a bigger engine. So what's the matter with it?"
They looked at me and agreed I was right...then went on to look at the car more favorably. WTF? Are people really that dense? Is history THAT jaded?
Then again, we have more informed sources like redzed who claim the car is underpowered and has bad ergonomics. Ignorance is everywhere, and it probably has nothing to do with history...
When I drove a 6 speed GTO, the LAST thing I thought when I got out of the car was that it was underpowered. The only people who have EVER complained it was underpowered were angry F body owners mad over the loss of their car. And yes, he loves the word "dated," as you noted. However, again...while you can say the car is not aggressive enough, it is NOT dated! There is nothing dated about it!
I can grant him the trunk, too...its pretty idiotic. But that's it. Its a great car otherwise. And I dare say the trunk issue is not much of an issue to the target buyer. Amazingly, those car mags he loves to quote all the time he seems to ignore when it comes to this car. The loudest complaints I hear about the car are from F body fans and old GTO owners...that's all.
Its funny...I went to the Hartford Auto Show Friday night. They had a production '04 model on display with the '05 upgrades. 2 guys in their early 50s were standing near me...one owned a '66 GTO and one a '69. They were babbling on and on about how it wasn't a true GTO. I piped up and asked them if they had driven one. They said no. I asked them what they felt made the car not a "true" GTO. Lack of hood scoops and "aggressive style." So I said to them, "both of your GTOs were nothing more than a LeMans with some fancier wheels and trim, with a bigger engine. This car more or less looks like what a 2 door Grand Prix would look like if they made one, with some fancy trim and a bigger engine. So what's the matter with it?"
They looked at me and agreed I was right...then went on to look at the car more favorably. WTF? Are people really that dense? Is history THAT jaded?
Then again, we have more informed sources like redzed who claim the car is underpowered and has bad ergonomics. Ignorance is everywhere, and it probably has nothing to do with history...
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by redzed
That's because the GTO has really small wheelwells. The problem is that the platform dates back over a decade, when no one envisioned todays monster tire sizes.
The tiny wheelwells are why you can still bottom out a GTO. It's a fundimental design element, so there's no fix until Zeta.
The tiny wheelwells are why you can still bottom out a GTO. It's a fundimental design element, so there's no fix until Zeta.
Hmmm... my GTO came with standard 245 series 17" tires... hardly small. Not huge, massive-wide Z06 tires, but I don't think it really needs anything that extreme either.
I have yet to "bottom out" my GTO... but, with all your GTO seat time, I'm sure you have... :blah:
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
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Hmmm... my GTO came with standard 245 series 17" tires... hardly small. Not huge, massive-wide Z06 tires, but I don't think it really needs anything that extreme either.
I have yet to "bottom out" my GTO... but, with all your GTO seat time, I'm sure you have... :blah:
I have yet to "bottom out" my GTO... but, with all your GTO seat time, I'm sure you have... :blah:
2. You probably don't "test drive" a car like I do. I alway try to see if I can bottom out a new car and a rough railroad crossing normally does the trick. Oddly enough, new designs like the Magnum RT and CTS-V are pretty hard to bottom out. Needless to say, I never buy a car I've test driven.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
Hmmm... my GTO came with standard 245 series 17" tires... hardly small. Not huge, massive-wide Z06 tires, but I don't think it really needs anything that extreme either.
I have yet to "bottom out" my GTO... but, with all your GTO seat time, I'm sure you have... :blah:
I have yet to "bottom out" my GTO... but, with all your GTO seat time, I'm sure you have... :blah:
You can fit 18's and even 19's with the same width (245). I might put 18's on myself for some bling, but the 17's do a fine job filling out the wheel wells (much better then the WS.6).
And as for "bottoming out", I have yet to have that happen as well even driving it as hard as I do.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by redzed
1. The GTO wears the same size of rubber as the last-generation Mustang GT/Mach 1. The new 2005 Mustang GT has 55-profile 17-inchers as base rubber - tires that probably wouldn't fit in you GTO.
2. You probably don't "test drive" a car like I do. I alway try to see if I can bottom out a new car and a rough railroad crossing normally does the trick. Oddly enough, new designs like the Magnum RT and CTS-V are pretty hard to bottom out. Needless to say, I never buy a car I've test driven.
2. You probably don't "test drive" a car like I do. I alway try to see if I can bottom out a new car and a rough railroad crossing normally does the trick. Oddly enough, new designs like the Magnum RT and CTS-V are pretty hard to bottom out. Needless to say, I never buy a car I've test driven.
Take it to the local railroad crossing, kick it up to 95mph, and see how much air time you can grab??
I'm sure the future owner of that car will appreciate you acting like a fool in a car you never intended to buy in the first place... this , of course, is assuming you even do actually go out and test drive all these cars you say you do, which, frankly, I really doubt because of a lot of the statements you make.You know, for all the GM smack talk you throw out, and how much praise you give to others, if I remember right, you are still driving a 1996 Camaro that you bought new. Seems that even though GM's products are "Crude and Unrefined", and others, in particular imports are so perfect.... they just aren't good enough to get you to part with any cash over the last 8-9 years
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by redzed
1. The GTO wears the same size of rubber as the last-generation Mustang GT/Mach 1. The new 2005 Mustang GT has 55-profile 17-inchers as base rubber - tires that probably wouldn't fit in you GTO.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by blckbrd84
Yeah, and the new Mustang comes with narrower tires (235). And the GTO has a much nicer (lower) profile. So what's the point?
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by redzed
1. The GTO wears the same size of rubber as the last-generation Mustang GT/Mach 1. The new 2005 Mustang GT has 55-profile 17-inchers as base rubber - tires that probably wouldn't fit in you GTO.
2. You probably don't "test drive" a car like I do. I alway try to see if I can bottom out a new car and a rough railroad crossing normally does the trick. Oddly enough, new designs like the Magnum RT and CTS-V are pretty hard to bottom out. Needless to say, I never buy a car I've test driven.
2. You probably don't "test drive" a car like I do. I alway try to see if I can bottom out a new car and a rough railroad crossing normally does the trick. Oddly enough, new designs like the Magnum RT and CTS-V are pretty hard to bottom out. Needless to say, I never buy a car I've test driven.
Red, you have been slamming the GTO for the past year (even before it came out). You threw everything from it's gas tank location, to the belief that the $32,000 WS6 Firebird was far superior in quality materials and construction over equally the priced $32,000 GTO. If I recall you even using a wildly mistaken view of the country it's made in (I'm still amazed at that one, and that you had no desire to check it out yourself) as another reason you felt the GTO was "sad".
Instead of rehashing discredited accusations and inventing new ones, why not simply say you hate the GTO no matter what anyone says or proves, and call it a day.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by blckbrd84
Yeah, and the new Mustang comes with narrower tires (235). And the GTO has a much nicer (lower) profile. So what's the point?
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by redzed
1. The GTO wears the same size of rubber as the last-generation Mustang GT/Mach 1. The new 2005 Mustang GT has 55-profile 17-inchers as base rubber - tires that probably wouldn't fit in you GTO.
Great. Here's what you do.
1. Read my signature.
2. Post overall wheel diameter of 2005 Mustang GT and 2004 GTO.
3. Answer, why never stop making a fool out of yourself by posting something you know next to nothing about.
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Re: Pontiac will cut '05 GTO production by 30%.
Originally Posted by redzed
1. The GTO wears the same size of rubber as the last-generation Mustang GT/Mach 1. The new 2005 Mustang GT has 55-profile 17-inchers as base rubber - tires that probably wouldn't fit in you GTO.
2. You probably don't "test drive" a car like I do. I alway try to see if I can bottom out a new car and a rough railroad crossing normally does the trick. Oddly enough, new designs like the Magnum RT and CTS-V are pretty hard to bottom out. Needless to say, I never buy a car I've test driven.
2. You probably don't "test drive" a car like I do. I alway try to see if I can bottom out a new car and a rough railroad crossing normally does the trick. Oddly enough, new designs like the Magnum RT and CTS-V are pretty hard to bottom out. Needless to say, I never buy a car I've test driven.
The mustangs tires are taller, but certainly not wider. 9.64" compared to 9.25" for the Mustang tires.
Plus I have never bottomed out in my GTO. Trust me I don't baby it either.