So you wouldn't mind a Cobalt SS being called a Chevelle SS? For me it is just a displacement of names. If you made legends in the past you can make legends happen now, look at the Neon. Maybe a Dart or Demon for the smaller cars, but the Barracuda was a larger car, after 70, and would have the same effect of putting Firebird on a S/C 4 cylinder fwd car.

 

You understand that the Cobalt SS and Mitsubishi EVO are cars in different leagues...right?

 

An Evo is what, almost 30 grand?

Colbalt SS is likely to run about 20, maybe 22 with the blower.

Also, EVO is more of an AWD track runner with a base in Rally Sport. Colbalt SS, like the SRT-4, is more of a ready made street racer.

 

Well, I don't know, I think a new Pony Car from Chrysler , with sharp looking sheetmetal, $28,000 price tag, 300+ hp, six speed trans, Brembo brakes, 13.0 sec 1/4 mile, and the ability to outrun an M3 around a road course is a neat idea.

Calling it 'Cuda....just makes it better for me.

 

So, you would say that the Evo and SRT-4 are in different leagues? That is the point I am making. I don't see a difference between a 20k 250 fwd car and the 220 fwd car. One is called Cuda, the other a Chevelle. For me, I would be pissed, it just doesn't do justice to the name. You know how many people were upset when there were rumors of the Camaro going fwd and having a 4cyl. For the record, I don't see many 80s Chargers or any of those special cars. If the car was a hit, then why did they stop making it?

The point I am trying to make is that I think there would be a backlash, similar to what happen with the Camaro, if the Neon got a name change to a Barracuda.

 

Okay....how can I say this more clearly? I'm not talking about the Neon. I mentioned the SRT-4 in Chicago, painted like an AAR 'Cuda....but I wasn't making a case for it! But I'm not talking about that now.

I'm refering to the next gen Stratus/Sebring coupes which will be out by '06. Those cars will be based on the next gen Lancer platform. The same platform that the EVO will use. All of the EVO's hardware should easily transfer to these new Chrysler coupes.

The EVO....Not Cobalt...Not Neon.


And yes...the EVO and SRT-4 are in different leagues. The SRT-4 is a fast, straight line FWD hot rod. The EVO is a MUCH faster AWD car that has outlapped the M3 in at least one comparo that I can think of.

If you think that such a high performance coupe shoudn't be called 'Cuda....that's one thing....but comparing it to a Cobalt or Neon is not a good analogy.

 

I thought you were talking about the rumored Neon replacement. I just hope that the replacements of the Stratus/Sebring are not 25k replacments that are less then they are now.

So, to get back on topic. The Cuda topic is interesting bcuz I have heard the rumor too, from the same people, that there are suppose to be 7 LX base cars. With 2 or 3 for dodge, 2 rumored for Chrysler, and one for Jeep, that would leave one left. Would be a nice car to have in a new car company line up. Kind of how the GTO is to Pontiac.

 

I don't think there are that many Plymouth loyalists out there, certainly not enough to constitute demand to revive the brand. Dodge and Plymouth performance has always been lumped in together under the Mopar banner, probably because their cars have shared platforms and powerplants so closely since the 1960s. They weren't like GM with the different brands with their own unique powertrains until the 1980s. You don't see many "Plymouth guys" or Dodge-specific magazines, instead you see Mopar guys and Mopar magazines.

So I think the loyal Plymouth guys were really loyal Mopar guys who stuck with Mopar, which now just means Dodge. Bringing back Plymouth won't bring back that many customers, and will cost even more than the fortune they spent destroying it. I don't see how it makes any sense. If anything they'd have a Dodge 'Cuda since they set that precedent with the Neon, minivans, Prowler, and the PT Cruiser (which was supposed to be the new Plymouth image car).

 

I'm sort of a closet Plymouth loyalist. Not the Plymouth from recent years....but the Plymouth from Mopar's performance hayday. There was a time when Plymouth meant "Mopar Performance". Duster, 'Cuda, Road Runner, Super Bird.....that's how I remember Plymouth. Somehow, I remember alot of them being wild colors"Sublime Green" ,"Lemon Twist" or "Plum Crazy". They were very affordable Mopar musclecars, with a very high cool factor. A Plymouth musclecar, (especially a brightly colored one), always turned heads.

I remember the "Mongoose vs Snake" Funnycar rivalry between Don Prudhomme ('70 Cuda) and Tom McEwen ('70 Duster)...highly promoted by Mattel's HotWheels.

Scroll halfway down....I still have that HotWheels track and cars....
http://www.diecastillustrated.com/Fe...ooseSnake.html


Ok, sorry..I just took a trip down memory lane.

Anyway, if Plymouth returns...it'll be a limited amount of models probably sold through Chrysler dealers....rather than stand alone Plymouth dealers. If done well.....I would welcome it with great excitement.

 

Ok, I said earlier that the AAR would be disgraced on a neon... well so would the cuda nameplate.

I dont understand why anyone would even think of doing that. Can you imagine a 4-door fwd 4cyl camaro? how about a mustang? Thats the class of car the cuda is... if your gonna bring it back as civic... PLEASE LEAVE IT DEAD.

 

the discrace is that a 4 dr 4 banger can now within cracking distance of a cuda..

an AAR SRT-4 is cool...they had a SCCA Neon didnt they what race were the neons running that Dodge sponsored??

but yea an AAR SRT-4 I could accept..

JUST LIKE A COBALT SS..but I think if DC brought back the Cuda it would have to be a plymouth..SOLD BY DODGE!

 

werd......

 

I would probably care less myself, but ive ridden in a real AAR... and Ive also gotten beaten by an AAR.

an AAR neon doesnt make sense... AMERICAN performance is V8 rwd. Its one thing if that were a new name... but disgracing a legend is another. The All American Racer would become the All American Ricer

 

okay can I ask you what you consider rice?? anything FWD and a 4 banger???

a SRT-4 is not rice by any means..how can you call it that when its pumping out 13's in the 1/4 right from the factory..

let me ask you this is the Buick GNX a muscle car or SVO Mustang from 84-86...they are not V-8's?? But I consider them muscle cars...


or this..is the mid 90's Impala a muscle car?? it has 4 doors..


the term rice is not for a legitimate fast car or any car like the SRT-4..
rice is "ricing" out a car and making it look fast with a huge stupid wing, ground F/X and a fart can and stickers and the car does 17's in the 1/4

that rice...

 

Excuse me while I bang my head against the wall......

No one is saying that a Neon should be called 'Cuda. The SRT-4 concept didn't actually say AAR or 'Cuda anywhere! Just look at the pics. The color scheme and graphics looked like those on a '70 AAR 'Cuda though......and yes, I thought it looked pretty cool.


Let's run down some points:

* DCX has indicated that they won't build a two door coupe off the LX platform.

* DCX is developing coupes to replace Stratus/Sebring.

* These coupes will use the next gen Mitsubishi Galant/Lancer platform.

* The Mitsu Evo will use the same platform.

* If a car was developed from one of these coupes, with AWD and all the rest of the Evo's hardware...it would be one very serious car.

* This very serious car would also be reasonably priced.

* I think that this car would be worthy of the 'Cuda....even the AAR 'Cuda name.

You can agree with that...or disagree...or stay neutral....in fact I'd like to hear some thoughts on that.

But no one is saying that a FWD 4 door Neon ought to be called 'Cuda.