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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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Didn't Microsoft bail out Apple so that MS wouldn't become a monopoly? Free market my ***.
No, not at all. And this is something I am very close to. They did agree to publish Office on the Mac which you could argue "bailed" them out. You could more easily say that MS bailed out Novell when they licensed SUSE.


I swear reading the opinions of people that think the auto industry is not our core in the US makes me sick. The US aerospace industry is dying. If the auto industry dies, what do we have? Software? And MS is constantly under attack from goverments around the world. How long will that last? We manufacture nothing anymore. Idiot consumers in this country are making us a third world country. And they are the first ones to bitch when they are on the unemployment line. Stupidity only lasts so long before it impacts everyone around you negatively.
Old Dec 27, 2008 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by falchulk
No, not at all. And this is something I am very close to. They did agree to publish Office on the Mac which you could argue "bailed" them out. You could more easily say that MS bailed out Novell when they licensed SUSE.


I swear reading the opinions of people that think the auto industry is not our core in the US makes me sick. The US aerospace industry is dying. If the auto industry dies, what do we have? Software? And MS is constantly under attack from goverments around the world. How long will that last? We manufacture nothing anymore. Idiot consumers in this country are making us a third world country. And they are the first ones to bitch when they are on the unemployment line. Stupidity only lasts so long before it impacts everyone around you negatively.
But we will all have jobs at walmart.
Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by embpic
The auto industry is not even in the same class as the bank bailout IMHO. How can you compare the financial collapse of our country with the death of the auto industry. The difference of scale between the two is evident when you compare the bailouts ($700 billion vs $34 billion).
So the white collar social and investment elite financial industry who doesn't produce a single tangible thing, nor manufacturers a single product, screws up substantially more gets hundreds of billions with few questions asked. Somehow is significantly more important than the industry that has shouldered the middle class, contributed immensely to our counties industrial might in WWII and has produced products of great joy and timeless memories over generations of Americans. The financial industry gave us mortgage backed securities and credit debt swaps. These will surely go down as true triumphs of our nation right up there with putting a man on the moon. Okay sure.

Remember. Most people's jobs do not depend on the auto industries survival.
Figures being passed around are nearly 1 our of every 10 are directly or indirectly related to the auto industry. 1 and every 10 isn't most, but it's hugely significant and vital to our nations prosperity and our manufacturing base going forward. Or are we going to rely on Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Mexico and the like to produce anything of tangible nature? A country that has no manufacturing backbone will become a second or third rate player when it comes to being a worlds super power.

If they did this would have passed already. However most everyone has a mortgage, bank account, savings, and investments. When you threaten those people get excited.
How will a mortgage, bank account, or investments be possible if everyone works in a services based industry paying $10 an hour. A service based industry has no solid footing, in a moment it can be picked up and moved to the next geography that will do it for $8 an hour. Good luck.
Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mdenz3
But we will all have jobs at walmart.
We can all enthusiastically look forward to making $8 an hour and also the benefits of, being forced to work unpaid off the clock, having hours erased from our time cars, and preventing us from taking lunch and breaks as promised by the company and guaranteed by state laws. Won't it be just dandy!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/bu...almart.html?em
Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by falchulk
No, not at all. And this is something I am very close to. They did agree to publish Office on the Mac which you could argue "bailed" them out. You could more easily say that MS bailed out Novell when they licensed SUSE.


I swear reading the opinions of people that think the auto industry is not our core in the US makes me sick. The US aerospace industry is dying. If the auto industry dies, what do we have? Software? And MS is constantly under attack from goverments around the world. How long will that last? We manufacture nothing anymore. Idiot consumers in this country are making us a third world country. And they are the first ones to bitch when they are on the unemployment line. Stupidity only lasts so long before it impacts everyone around you negatively.
At the 1997 Macworld Expo, Steve Jobs announced that Apple would join Microsoft to release new versions of Microsoft Office for the Macintosh, and that Microsoft made a US$150 million investment in non-voting Apple stock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_computer

$150 million seems a little more than just giving them Microsoft Office.
Old Jan 1, 2009 | 05:05 PM
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Well, I'm going to have to go out on a limb that the above statement supplies its own answer.
Hmmmm, our (Alabama) unemployment rate is below the national average. Our economy is diverse and not hinged to one industry. What is the rate up there in the mecca of engineers?

I agree, the auto bailout (aka UAW bailout) is a drop in the bucket compared to what the banks and insurance groups got. It ALL stinks and we as a nation will pay for this idiocy for generations!
Old Jan 1, 2009 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TA76
Hmmmm, our (Alabama) unemployment rate is below the national average.
Fine; that is likely because:
Originally Posted by TA76
Our economy is diverse and not hinged to one industry.
Which is entirely unrelated to what I said.

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What is the rate up there in the mecca of engineers?
Not good.

You seem to be suggesting that the local unemployment rate has some basis on the quality of education; in particular, that low-quality education correlates with low unemployment.

Is that intentional? If so, explain.
Old Jan 2, 2009 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
This gentleman makes some excellent points.

Soon, we will need to decide if this country will be a producer of technology, or just a consumer of the work of other countries. Frankly, it doesn't take much to notice that we no longer provide anything resembling true innovation in several fields where we used to lead.

I work with some college engineering undergrads during my employer's sponsorship of year-long senior projects, and I occasionally speak at local schools during career fairs and the like. I'd love to be able to tell kids that they should go into engineering and create all the wonderful technology that this country is in love with, but it's getting tougher to do that when technology workers are treated with such disdain (in the form of low compensation and non-existent job security) by industry and government.
If you were to place the blame in terms of percentages per occupation, what blame would you place the MBAs and others at?
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