Oldsmobile and why Buick needs a new Grand National
Originally posted by Snorman
IMO, GM can keep it's "tape and sticker" specialty cars, which is likely what a modern iteration of the GN and turbo Regals would be.
I'm sure they'd be real creative. A blacked out FWD Regal with the same, 8 year old, transverse mounted, blown 3.8 in it...same as a '97 GTP.
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IMO, GM can keep it's "tape and sticker" specialty cars, which is likely what a modern iteration of the GN and turbo Regals would be.
I'm sure they'd be real creative. A blacked out FWD Regal with the same, 8 year old, transverse mounted, blown 3.8 in it...same as a '97 GTP.

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It's a shame they used the GSX name on it. That car is not worthy of the name.
And the car itself is pretty lame, too.
Originally posted by guionM
Buick doesn't want another Grand National type car, and aren't trying to attract youth at all. That's not their target market. They are aiming at mid-aged or older moderately high income conservative individuals who would otherwise buy a Lexus.
Buick doesn't want another Grand National type car, and aren't trying to attract youth at all. That's not their target market. They are aiming at mid-aged or older moderately high income conservative individuals who would otherwise buy a Lexus.
Originally posted by guionM
Buick doesn't want another Grand National type car, and aren't trying to attract youth at all. That's not their target market. They are aiming at mid-aged or older moderately high income conservative individuals who would otherwise buy a Lexus.
Buick doesn't want another Grand National type car, and aren't trying to attract youth at all. That's not their target market. They are aiming at mid-aged or older moderately high income conservative individuals who would otherwise buy a Lexus.
That's why they should build a Riviera that competes with the SC430.
Originally posted by gtjeff
The average Buick buyer today is 63, I wouldnt call that mid-aged.
The average Buick buyer today is 63, I wouldnt call that mid-aged.
Originally posted by 95 Z/28 LT1
That's why they should build a Riviera that competes with the SC430.
That's why they should build a Riviera that competes with the SC430.
Last edited by guionM; Aug 2, 2003 at 03:41 PM.
Originally posted by guionM
Buick doesn't want another Grand National type car, and aren't trying to attract youth at all. That's not their target market. They are aiming at mid-aged or older moderately high income conservative individuals who would otherwise buy a Lexus.
Buick doesn't want another Grand National type car, and aren't trying to attract youth at all. That's not their target market. They are aiming at mid-aged or older moderately high income conservative individuals who would otherwise buy a Lexus.
Originally posted by guionM
True, and Buick want's to bring it down to about 45-50.
I'm dead sure there's something like that in the works (a coupe of some sort). No telling when it will be out, what it will be called, or what chassis it will be on though.
True, and Buick want's to bring it down to about 45-50.
I'm dead sure there's something like that in the works (a coupe of some sort). No telling when it will be out, what it will be called, or what chassis it will be on though.
about the fiero. i have mixed opinions about that because i frankly think the idea was cool just not well executed. they used the TERRIBLE 2.8 v6. i think with a well executed plan this could make a come back. thoughts?
Any of you ever see the '89 Fiero concept car?
I love this car... it's a real shame they didn't keep making it.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/ph...ehicleTypeID=0
I love this car... it's a real shame they didn't keep making it.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/ph...ehicleTypeID=0
Originally posted by Mikes25thAnnTA
Any of you ever see the '89 Fiero concept car?
I love this car... it's a real shame they didn't keep making it.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/ph...ehicleTypeID=0
Any of you ever see the '89 Fiero concept car?
I love this car... it's a real shame they didn't keep making it.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/ph...ehicleTypeID=0

Seriously though, I think that car left the Fiero's roots. It's bigger... make that too big, and would have been in appearance a V6 powered 2 passenger Firebird. The Fiero GT was a pretty good car towards the end, and it's 2.8 gave good power for the late 1980s. I imagine if it lived, today it would have the GTP's supercharged V6.

Originally posted by Bud M
Comparing a Buick product to a Lexus? That's really a stretch.
Comparing a Buick product to a Lexus? That's really a stretch.
After a turn around like that, I'm not dismissing anything.
Last edited by guionM; Aug 5, 2003 at 04:16 AM.
Originally posted by guionM
Seriously though, I think that car left the Fiero's roots. It's bigger... make that too big, and would have been in appearance a V6 powered 2 passenger Firebird. The Fiero GT was a pretty good car towards the end, and it's 2.8 gave good power for the late 1980s. I imagine if it lived, today it would have the GTP's supercharged V6.
Seriously though, I think that car left the Fiero's roots. It's bigger... make that too big, and would have been in appearance a V6 powered 2 passenger Firebird. The Fiero GT was a pretty good car towards the end, and it's 2.8 gave good power for the late 1980s. I imagine if it lived, today it would have the GTP's supercharged V6.

The market is there for a performance mid-engine. The results of the recent survey here reflect that. A large majority of people were willing to pay more for a mid-engine over the front engine Solstice. It would be alot easier to make a business case for the higher margin car GM. Just give it an engine to match its looks this time.
Originally posted by gtjeff
The base model and formula concepts were still the same size as the 88's. The top end gtp car would have increased in size (bad idea-all that extra weight).
The market is there for a performance mid-engine. The results of the recent survey here reflect that. A large majority of people were willing to pay more for a mid-engine over the front engine Solstice. It would be alot easier to make a business case for the higher margin car GM. Just give it an engine to match its looks this time.
The base model and formula concepts were still the same size as the 88's. The top end gtp car would have increased in size (bad idea-all that extra weight).
The market is there for a performance mid-engine. The results of the recent survey here reflect that. A large majority of people were willing to pay more for a mid-engine over the front engine Solstice. It would be alot easier to make a business case for the higher margin car GM. Just give it an engine to match its looks this time.
It had easy to redesign plastic body panels, the tooling was payed for, it was still making a profit. I remember reading GM's CEO at the time pushed killing Fiero for money to launch Saturn.
Afterall, the Grand National was nothing more than a up market Regal Turbo
Originally posted by guionM
It had easy to redesign plastic body panels, the tooling was payed for, it was still making a profit. I remember reading GM's CEO at the time pushed killing Fiero for money to launch Saturn.
It had easy to redesign plastic body panels, the tooling was payed for, it was still making a profit. I remember reading GM's CEO at the time pushed killing Fiero for money to launch Saturn.
Last edited by gtjeff; Aug 6, 2003 at 10:59 PM.
Why not use the Sigma plateform, sure that can be used for more than just the CTS.
I agree Buicks styling is just .. blah. We had one at our dealership and I think even Taurses are nicer than that thing.
I agree Buicks styling is just .. blah. We had one at our dealership and I think even Taurses are nicer than that thing.
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