View Poll Results: Why isn't the Titan/Armada selling better?
"Rugged" truck types really just want a soft ride/quiet interior
2
6.06%
A Japanese nameplate is the "kiss-of-death" when it comes to big trucks
15
45.45%
It's the styling...
13
39.39%
They should add another $5K to the MSRP...then knock off another $5K...just like the domestics.
3
9.09%
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Nissan's Armada: The "Camaro" of SUVs!
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Originally posted by Aeromaks
I really love the armada, i guess not too many people buying those yet, dunno, but they are sweet, if they come down a little more in price, will take on in a heart beat. my bro got a pathfinder instead of armada because his wife is the one that is driving it and armada a little big
I really love the armada, i guess not too many people buying those yet, dunno, but they are sweet, if they come down a little more in price, will take on in a heart beat. my bro got a pathfinder instead of armada because his wife is the one that is driving it and armada a little big
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The Armada has an extremely badass powertrain, a crappy interior, and a crappy ride.
I can see how you might draw a parallel between those facts and the Camaro's.
Looks are subjective, and sports cars to SUVs is pretty apples to oranges, but I still see where you could connect the dot.
Look at Toyota... historically they've created some of the most conservative powertrains out there. But they keep on doing better and better each year.
It seems like Nissan is throwing its reputation for reliability and comfort straight down the drain and isn't even bashful about it... and instead they are touting stuff 'shift_excitement' and 'shift_power'. It's a big gamble for them, and honestly I hope it works out, as it's a lot more exciting to read about a new car coming out with some awesome new suspension/chassis/AWD system/motor/transmission than it is about a car with awesome build quality. But at the same time, I just don't think in this day and age consumers are willing to accept one without the other. It may just be that whatever car company does this first without increasing their costs significantly, could lead the way into the next decade.
Realistically I think it will either be GM or Toyota. GM seems to be making great strides in their initial quality tests, perceived quality, and so on in most of their newer models. Only time will tell if mid-term and long-term quality/durability stands up to the same test. Toyota who's always been great with quality but always had an issue with making exciting vehicles (both visually and from a power/handling standpoint), seems to be on the very forefront of the new hybrid powertrain bandwagon, and from what I've been reading, they plan on adding their hybrid systems almost like superchargers to almost all of ther existing vehicles within the next couple of years.
Should be an interesting battle to watch. As much as I like Toyota, I'm rooting for GM. And one thing is for sure no matter who you are - competition is goooooood.
I can see how you might draw a parallel between those facts and the Camaro's.
Looks are subjective, and sports cars to SUVs is pretty apples to oranges, but I still see where you could connect the dot.
Look at Toyota... historically they've created some of the most conservative powertrains out there. But they keep on doing better and better each year.
It seems like Nissan is throwing its reputation for reliability and comfort straight down the drain and isn't even bashful about it... and instead they are touting stuff 'shift_excitement' and 'shift_power'. It's a big gamble for them, and honestly I hope it works out, as it's a lot more exciting to read about a new car coming out with some awesome new suspension/chassis/AWD system/motor/transmission than it is about a car with awesome build quality. But at the same time, I just don't think in this day and age consumers are willing to accept one without the other. It may just be that whatever car company does this first without increasing their costs significantly, could lead the way into the next decade.
Realistically I think it will either be GM or Toyota. GM seems to be making great strides in their initial quality tests, perceived quality, and so on in most of their newer models. Only time will tell if mid-term and long-term quality/durability stands up to the same test. Toyota who's always been great with quality but always had an issue with making exciting vehicles (both visually and from a power/handling standpoint), seems to be on the very forefront of the new hybrid powertrain bandwagon, and from what I've been reading, they plan on adding their hybrid systems almost like superchargers to almost all of ther existing vehicles within the next couple of years.
Should be an interesting battle to watch. As much as I like Toyota, I'm rooting for GM. And one thing is for sure no matter who you are - competition is goooooood.
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Originally posted by Threxx
The Armada has an extremely badass powertrain, a crappy interior, and a crappy ride.
I can see how you might draw a parallel between those facts and the Camaro's.
Looks are subjective, and sports cars to SUVs is pretty apples to oranges, but I still see where you could connect the dot.
Look at Toyota... historically they've created some of the most conservative powertrains out there. But they keep on doing better and better each year.
It seems like Nissan is throwing its reputation for reliability and comfort straight down the drain and isn't even bashful about it... and instead they are touting stuff 'shift_excitement' and 'shift_power'. It's a big gamble for them, and honestly I hope it works out, as it's a lot more exciting to read about a new car coming out with some awesome new suspension/chassis/AWD system/motor/transmission than it is about a car with awesome build quality. But at the same time, I just don't think in this day and age consumers are willing to accept one without the other. It may just be that whatever car company does this first without increasing their costs significantly, could lead the way into the next decade.
Realistically I think it will either be GM or Toyota. GM seems to be making great strides in their initial quality tests, perceived quality, and so on in most of their newer models. Only time will tell if mid-term and long-term quality/durability stands up to the same test. Toyota who's always been great with quality but always had an issue with making exciting vehicles (both visually and from a power/handling standpoint), seems to be on the very forefront of the new hybrid powertrain bandwagon, and from what I've been reading, they plan on adding their hybrid systems almost like superchargers to almost all of ther existing vehicles within the next couple of years.
Should be an interesting battle to watch. As much as I like Toyota, I'm rooting for GM. And one thing is for sure no matter who you are - competition is goooooood.
The Armada has an extremely badass powertrain, a crappy interior, and a crappy ride.
I can see how you might draw a parallel between those facts and the Camaro's.
Looks are subjective, and sports cars to SUVs is pretty apples to oranges, but I still see where you could connect the dot.
Look at Toyota... historically they've created some of the most conservative powertrains out there. But they keep on doing better and better each year.
It seems like Nissan is throwing its reputation for reliability and comfort straight down the drain and isn't even bashful about it... and instead they are touting stuff 'shift_excitement' and 'shift_power'. It's a big gamble for them, and honestly I hope it works out, as it's a lot more exciting to read about a new car coming out with some awesome new suspension/chassis/AWD system/motor/transmission than it is about a car with awesome build quality. But at the same time, I just don't think in this day and age consumers are willing to accept one without the other. It may just be that whatever car company does this first without increasing their costs significantly, could lead the way into the next decade.
Realistically I think it will either be GM or Toyota. GM seems to be making great strides in their initial quality tests, perceived quality, and so on in most of their newer models. Only time will tell if mid-term and long-term quality/durability stands up to the same test. Toyota who's always been great with quality but always had an issue with making exciting vehicles (both visually and from a power/handling standpoint), seems to be on the very forefront of the new hybrid powertrain bandwagon, and from what I've been reading, they plan on adding their hybrid systems almost like superchargers to almost all of ther existing vehicles within the next couple of years.
Should be an interesting battle to watch. As much as I like Toyota, I'm rooting for GM. And one thing is for sure no matter who you are - competition is goooooood.
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No clumsy-*** SUV should ever be compared to the sleek & soulful f-body. I guess this is a part of a growing trend though... certain new SUVs, notably imports from Nissan, Lexus, Porsche etc. are now being marketed as some kind of big, tough performance car. Why? They suck. 
Buy a friggin performance car if you want a performance car. Don't buy a bloody tank.
Maybe you should have posted this over @ freshalloy.com
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Buy a friggin performance car if you want a performance car. Don't buy a bloody tank.Maybe you should have posted this over @ freshalloy.com
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Originally posted by Z28Marcus
I guess this is a part of a growing trend though... certain new SUVs, notably imports from Nissan, Lexus, Porsche etc. are now being marketed as some kind of big, tough performance car. Why? They suck.
I guess this is a part of a growing trend though... certain new SUVs, notably imports from Nissan, Lexus, Porsche etc. are now being marketed as some kind of big, tough performance car. Why? They suck.
First of all, they are unibody and often times even shared with other car platforms within the same company.
Second of all, they usually sit so low they are more realistically considered a wagon rather than any sort of truck.
And lastly you'll never catch a 4WD system on any of them... they usually use a pretty advanced form of AWD combined with a trick computer-aided suspension setup. Handling numbers from many (but most definitely not all) of these sports SUVs rival and even surpass that of the f-body and many other 'sports cars'.
So the problem here is not the fact that these shouldn't be called 'sporty', as their chassis design, suspension, drivetrain, and often their performance stats usually dictate the absolute definition of 'sporty', but that they really shouldn't be considered SUVs.
Then why are they? Because "SUV"s sell better than "wagon"s.
Anyhow... the Armada mentioned in this thread is definitely not anything any halfway reasonable person is considering sporty or even trying to draw a comparison between the physical dynamics of the two. What was being compared was their sales trends. You can compare a sales trend of a toothpaste to the sales trend of peanut butter and it could be a perfectly fine comparison. Does it mean that one is considered a replacement or alternative to the other? No. But consumer's minds work similarly no matter what... especially if both products are from the same basic industry (consumer-level automotive sales)
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Re: Nissan's Armada: The "Camaro" of SUVs!
Originally posted by redzed
Nissan dealers are offering $5,000 off the Armada's already reasonable MSRP. Interestingly, the only Titans I've seen on the highway have been ultra-inexpensive XE models. What the heck happened with the Titan/Armada?
Perhaps a stiff ride and loud exhaust note isn't the way to go when it comes to selling big SUVs, let alone musclecars. The Nissan Armada is a hoot to drive and not far off Ford Excursion/Suburban 2500 levels of capability.
Nissan dealers are offering $5,000 off the Armada's already reasonable MSRP. Interestingly, the only Titans I've seen on the highway have been ultra-inexpensive XE models. What the heck happened with the Titan/Armada?
Perhaps a stiff ride and loud exhaust note isn't the way to go when it comes to selling big SUVs, let alone musclecars. The Nissan Armada is a hoot to drive and not far off Ford Excursion/Suburban 2500 levels of capability.
IT'S THE STYLING!!!!
You can only do so well when your vehicle frightens children & small animals.
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Wow, redzed being bashed...shocking...
Anyway, with regard to guion's accurate portrayal of how Roseanne Barr's a** is more attractive than a Armada, I think we need a change of title for this thread...
"Nissan Armada: The Aztek of Import SUVs?"
Anyway, with regard to guion's accurate portrayal of how Roseanne Barr's a** is more attractive than a Armada, I think we need a change of title for this thread...
"Nissan Armada: The Aztek of Import SUVs?"
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From: Memphis
Originally posted by JEDCamino
Maybe it's not selling because it looks similar to a catfish carved out of wood? Maybe?
Maybe it's not selling because it looks similar to a catfish carved out of wood? Maybe?
Damn, there go the Armada/Camaro similarities again!
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From: New Jersey
honestly who the fugg knows why they dont sell. I like hte looks, maybe it is the 300c. I know i will be considering the armada, but i reallllllly want the 300c, white vanilla, tinted windows all around, chrome 20's, yummi! awd! even yummier!