Two things:
1. My LS1 4th gen weighs a touch over 3400 pounds (3546 with me in it; I weighed about 140 at the time), and I haven't done any weight reduction. It's almost fully loaded -- the window sticker is here and my mods are in my sig, if you're curious.

2. An LS1 has significantly more torque over a wider RPM range than Nissan's new engine, which I presume is called the VQ37. The Nissan's horsepower numbers are so impressive because it's a high revver.

I think that I, driving my Z28, could beat any stock 370Z in the quarter mile. To be fair, I'll even take on a Z with a catback exhaust and an air intake upgrade. I'm really not one for bench racing, though. As soon as I find a 370Z owner willing to race me, I'll let you know what really happened.

 

there needs to be a 470Z, or better yet, a 560Z
It may have more torque but stock vs stock I would bet money on the 370Z having better GEARING. My buddy's 350Z had his 5th gear at 1:1, not 6th. with just a clutch his car ran a 13.8 @ 101. The last of the 350Zs were running mid-high 13s at 104. they're gaining 50 hp and losing 200 lbs. I would guess low 13s at 108. High 12s with good tires. That is even with the fastest of LS1s. time will tell though.

 

The newest 07+ 350Zs were not far behind LS1s, they made some improvements w/ the engine that really helped overall performance. It barely gained any peak power but picked up pretty substantially on low/midrange power. I don't see anyway they pick up 50 hp, presumably pick up a decent gain in the torque department (or at least another improvement in low/midrange torque, etc), lose 200 lbs, and still can't match an LS1. Frankly I think it will be a bit of an *** kicking for the stock LS1... Even if it only comes in at 330hp like the G37 that loss of 200lbs and torque will make a huge difference.

Time for some headers, a LS6 intake, and a tune for me...

 

I applaud the weight loss , 200 lbs is nice

 

Did you look at the numbers in my sig?

I'm not saying it won't be close. I'm just saying I'll win.

 

The "Mustang GT is slower than an LS1 myth" continues, despite all reports and articles to the contrary.

Current stock Mustang GTs (as in 2005 to current date) are most certainly as quick as stock LS1 F-bodies from 0-60 all the up to at the very least a quarter mile. In fact, depending on the magazine, they either match an LS1 or are 1-2 tenths quicker than their archive tests of LS1s.

LS1s advantage is in top speed and apparently high speed continued acceleration (the thing still pulls when punched above 120 mph).

Yet you still think GTs are slower than LS1s.

Track times don't matter in the example we're talking about. 350 horsepower in a 3000 pound car is going to be quicker and faster than it's going to be in a 3500 pound one.

That's not bench racing. Thats basic, room-tempreature-IQ, reasoning ability


1. Directly from GM's information archive comes the word that a base (as in no options) Camaro Z28 coupe for 2002 weighs in at 3411 with a manual, and 3433 with an automatic, weighed without fuel. For 2000, a Z28 Camaro weighed in at 3439. Ditto 1998. Fully loaded, an LS1 weighs roughly 3500 pounds, give or take a few.
http://media.gm.com/division/chevrol...t_archive.html

2. You are correct about torque. But less weight and aggressive gearing in this instance probally favors the Nissan by a huge margin.

3. Thinking your Z28 could beat a 500 pound lighter car that has about 10 more horses than you and no doubt more agressive gearing is pretty a pretty bold brag.

The current 350Z (with only 300 horses and 3200 to lug around) does the quarter in 13.7 @ 104 mph according to Car & Driver (January 2007).

That's already within .5 seconds to your best time in your 2002 LS1 you have posted in your sig.

With the 370Z, we're talking about not just a 50 horsepower increase, but also a 200 pound decrease in weight.

With both cars factory stock, I'd put my money on the 370Z.



http://www.angelfire.com/il/johnny99...vsmustang.html

 

You must have missed the part where I'm talking about my car, as-is. 325rwhp, 343rwtq. Unless you're suggesting that the new 370Z has <10% driveline loss, I win the power contest. Regardless, I win by a large margin in the torque contest.

I've had my car weighed. 3546 with driver. It was with a quarter tank of gas, which probably accounts for the shortage. Regardless, the amount of gas in the tank is a variable that's under my control for a planned race.

I'm done bench racing now. If you really want to prove me wrong, go buy a 370Z, take it for a road trip to Michigan, and call me when you get here.

 

The teeth look of the ground effects around the grill. But I doubt if that will make it to production. Other than that it looks good.

 

Regardless of it's ability to beat an LS1 or not I applaud Nissan for realizing what the rest of us are complaining about and taking weight off instead of just tacking on more power to try covering it up. I've never cared much about the 350Z's, but think Nissan did something right with this one, even if it cost a little more.

 

Not neccesarily, power under the curve/average hp is the more important stat and I'm sure an LS1 car would be far ahead in that category. 500lbs is 500lbs though.

 

LS1's are how old now? Go back to 98, how many 88's of any make could run with them...? The fact that these kinda debates still go on just goes to show how fast stock LS1 4ths really were/are.

As for this car...its obvious they're going in the right direction as far as weight, i think a better comparsion would be 370z vs. LS3 Camaro. I think the results of that will definetly make a potential 6th gen less plump.

 

+1 ^

last sentence should silence anybody talking about how much hp their ls1 car is currently putting down, compared to stock vs stock.

another note: it's not sounding like some of you have much experience with nissan's VQ motors. let me say from personal experience as i own a 2003 3.5 vq maxima as my daily driver, that these motors are masterpieces of engineering. torque is immediate and pulls hard all the way past 6400 rpm.

additionally, my brother owns a 330 hp 3.7 infiniti g37 and the combination of gear/and torque make that car pull as strong or harder than any lt1, or ls1 v8 i've ever driven. respect the vq series people. now, here comes nissan again with 350 hp and only 3000 pounds to haul and i'll put money this car will wipe the floor (stock vs stock) of any ls1.

this also makes things look interesting for the v8 2010 camaro.....with a rumored 400ish hp motor and north of 3600 pounds to haul, we could be in for more competition than we anticipated.

i believe ford is coming in around 350 hp as well for their new mustang, and i know they are also looking very closely at weight reduction.

 

Can't say I agree w/ your argument here. The "myth" continues because it is true. The 05+ GTs 0-60 pretty good but get pulled handily through the quarter mile on any runs I've seen. An good time for an 05+ GT is around a 13.6-13.7.

Quick yeah but "most certainly as quick as stock LS1 F-bodies" through the 1/4??? Umm, no, not unless you're basing your comparison on the worst magazine numbers for an LS1 or something. An LS1 Fbody has 3-5 tenths on the GT in reality...

 

No need to buy a 370Z to prove you wrong.

Again, stock to stock, a 3000 pound 350 horse car will outrun a 3500 pound 350 horse car.

A current 300 horse version of that car already comes within 0.5 seconds of your car in the quarter miule based on your very own signature.

The same car with 200 less pounds and 50 more ponys will take your car down all else the same.

There was a scene in "Pulp Fiction" where Ving Rhames" Marcel Wallace character orders the Bruce Willis' Butch character to throw an upcoming boxing match, Marcel Wallace is telling Butch about the effects of "pride". I think it's relavent here.

 

Agreed, the first few years LS1 cars were 13.5-13.6 @ 106-108. 01s and 02s were well known to run 13.0-13.2 at 107-109. Some cars even breaking the high 12 barrier and hitting 110.

I raced a new Mustang Bullitt today, and I have to say that it had no chance..lol..jk it was actually a pretty quick moving car that would probably give some stock LS1s a run for their money. Just too bad this Bullitt ran into a lil ol LT1

Does sound like the new 370z will be giving those 4th gens a good run though.