Well it may not be new, but why not? Why would GM not do this?

How about a NA V8 for Z28s and a V6 or straight 6 turbo TransAms or vise versa? This would cover alot of people and draw new heads to the fbody.

 

I think a Twin Turbo V6 or I6 would work out good in the Trans Am,That way it is different enough from the GTO for Pontiac to sell both.

2007 GTO = 420HP 6.0L
2007 T/A = 375HP Turbo DOHC 3.6L V6

 

That's a fantastic observation. That's sweet. At least offer it as a limit addition car like the did the old turbo TA.

Just imagine how fast that car would sell. I bet you couldn't keep them on the lot. If they did sell something like that, I'd hope GM would make dealerships not mark them up. I went by a couple ford dealerships to see if they'd mark up the 03 cobra. To my surprise the two dealerships I went to, they had not. GM can do this too. either that or not ship the cars to dealerships that wouldn't put a cap on mark ups.

That's me dreaming of a turbo fbody again.

 

I've always been in support of a turbo V6 or turbo I6 for the Trans Am (preferrably that 4.2L I6!). A lot of traditionalists will disagree based on the Trans Am's history, but the Turbo TA did set a precedent. A turbo motor would allow it to be differentiated from the GTO and give a better case for the return of the Firebird.

 

Nice suggestions, but this pretty much sum everything up:



GM making a TT T/A or something similar would probably cost way too much and I doubt it would sell like hotcakes when the prospective buyers look at the price tag...

Food for thought, though...

TS

 

I agree. I think so many cars in pontiac's lineup with such diversity would really make Pontiac the lead performance company. The Solctice Supercharged 2.0 Eco, the N/A V-8 GTO, and the Turboed V-6/I-6 Trans Am would be a killer line up. Not only that but it'd give alot of people a new perception of GM, combined with the new Caddy lineup.

 

1. How much do you thing GM would sell a turbo fbody for?

2. post above-He's right, but is GM bold enough. The way I look at it (I know I don't know anything about anything) GM was way bolder taking a chance on that shoebox aztech.

 

I think that is a good idea dood... personally. you would cover the V8 loyals... and then the all out TURBO guys... i would love to see a V6 turbo T/A... TURBO IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO!!!

 

A most excellent idea! The inline six in the suv's would make a wicked base to add a turbo to. Gee, what's it put out n/a, 275? Add some pressure to that and look out, you may be stepping on the Y-car's toes!

 

You hit a couple of points that always seems to be missed when someone brings up a "limited edition" high performance car: It sells for a high price, and the person who proposed it isn't going to be one of the people who will actually buy one.

The '89 turbo TA was very expensive when it was in production. If memory serves, they were running at or over $20 grand in a day & age when fully loaded Trans Ams were going for under $15,000 & base Mustang 5.0s were still running about $10K!

Also, cars like this most certainly do not sell like hotcakes. Little more than 1500 TT/As were sold out of over 64,000 Firebirds sold that year. GTAs that same year sold almost 10,000, and Formulas sold a total in excess of 16,000 that year.

Turbo T/As were also outsourced, they weren't developed by General Motors. The engines were built nearby in good old Orange County California, and trucked up to the Van Nuys plant & installed. It made the aftermarketer some money, and GM simply added the price onto the T/A.

Sorry to be the Grinch that stole Christmas, but unless you are prepared to pay nearly $40,000 for that blown Trans Am with a 6 cylinder engine, unless GM-Holden decides to return the supercharged V6 to the next Monaro (CV6 has been discontinued), it's pretty unlikely we'll see a Firebird with a blown 6 when GM has perfectly good (and cheap) high mileage V8s available.

Great Turbo T/A site:
http://www.89tta.com/
Good site for Firebird production figures:
http://www.geocities.com/indyfirebir...irdtotals.html

 

I see, i guess that's why there haven't been any turbo or supercharged GM cars since then??? That's probably a publicity stunt that's goin' on right now a few feet from me here in Spring Hill....those are fake superchargers on the ION engines, yep I knew it was too good to be true!

 

Isn't GM going to make a Turbo HF DOHC V6 for SAAB? Why couldn't a T/A just use that engine? Maybe up the boost a bit for the T/A just to make it a little different than the Saab.

 

Can't really compare Ion's supercharged 4s with what is being proposed. Since Ions come with N/A versions of these 4s, it's relatively simple to make an S/C version.

With regards to using other engines (ie: a blown dohc V6), unless a non-blown version of that engine is going to be standard, as they'd say in New York, "fergetaboutit". The expense of certifying a unique (and expensive) engine in a vehicle that's going to sell in low numbers mean only 2 things: a) it's going to be expensive to buy, or b) it ain't gonna happen.

It's not that GM "can't" make a car like's being proposed here. But we're refering to a car that's going to sell in lower numbers than the 35th anniversairy Z28, let alone what the 25th anniversairy sold over a decade ago. In both instances a relatively cheap high performance engine upgrade proposal/idea was axed because of costs. If we are considering a completely new engine, that's no doubt going to be even less likely.

I don't disagree that a turbo I5, V6, or a supercharged intercooled version of either would give a new Pontiac Trans Am-like car (you are not talking about a regular Firebird guys) a unique engine over the Z28/SS. It's just that realistically, based on some of the things Redplanet posted here regarding a midgrade f-body V8 (which IMHO would likely sell in sizeable numbers) mean that GM's powertrain lineup in all cars is going to be kept simple. GM isn't likely to spend money just give a division a unique engine.

This means Firebird would share Camaro's lineup if it's going to based on the same chassis.

 

That's lousy for the buyers and enthusiasts though. Not very impressive. A mid range enigne would be great for the 5th Gen. I hope they realize it's importance.

 

I never realized the Turbo TA cost so much more than the GTA. Where does it all come from? I'm sure they had harder parts in the motor, but this stuff can't cost that much more than a LS1. Now that's if GM keeps it all in house.

I don't even have to go deep down inside to know GM isn't comming out with a turbo fbody or car for that matter, but man that would be a killer set-up. And it would keep emitions down, and keep the power were they'd want it.

40 G's though. If they did drop that car, there is no way they could justify that. right?