Not so fast seat-boy. The first helping of CROW comes later next year when the Z06 is nowhere near GT performance. Most could see the stupidity of claiming a $60K vette is going to run 130mph traps, but for some reason that continues to elude our favorite "skunkworks insider" /seat designer.

Blue devil blue eggs and ham, who cares? It's a $100K vette, need I say more? We already got em, Lingenfelter's been doing 'em for the past 3 years and yes they outrun the current GT. At least his is worth the money.

Finally, seat-boy, in fit of uncontrolled gum flapping, also murmurred, "The next Camaro is going to send the Cobra home with it's tail between it's legs." Course, we won't get to see this plate 'o CROW served till '07.

At best, seat-boy will be 1-2 in his divinations. Not too good.




On the insiders, only GuionM has any weight(and plenty of it). RP is still laying face up at the unloading dock where the first GTO rolled over his disbelieving grill. I'm sure you remember a few years ago how derided this forum for expecting GM to sell the Aussie LS1 RWD cars over here. 99Silver is retired, and then there's seat-boy. What can I say about seat-boy? "GM WILL NEVER LOSE A HP WAR WITH F*RD"

You know what's funny? You keep looking up to GM to bail your *** out of the asswhupping that Ford is laying on bowtie gearheads, EXCEPT none of the great performance from the general is aimed at you guys. They've dropped the working stiff enthusiast off the list. You've gotta pony up at least $35K just to get into the front lobby of GM Performance, with the GTO, which is a fantastic car. From there it only goes up, $45K C6 vettes, $55K CTS-Vs, $60K C6 Z06s, $100K+ ZL1s, $75K XLRs.

What's beyond me is how GM has dropped 90% of the posters on this site off the target customer list for their performance products, and yet all you guys do is sit up and beg for more. Yet there's Ford still making $24K Mustang GTs, $27K Mach1s, $32K Cobras, $30K Lightnings. The '05 Mustang GT will be a 275RWHP 6spd for $24K. Over at Mopar you got a $20K 270hp Neon that'll run close to Z28s and Mach1s. There's affordable performance everywhere but GM (And I don't wanna hear about FWD SC 3800 crap).

 

GuionM is the only insider I trust. When others come off sounding like a 14 year old child, their credibility goes down a few notches.

 

if its so TOP SECRET, how do we know about it?

you know what? he does have a good point there. besides the Red Line which is yet to even prove itself with its 200hp SC Eco there isn't anything in the $20k range at GM that smaks of performance... the Cobalt isn't even a reality yet, let alone the Cobalt SS, so that's not in the running.

my instinct says, in 2 years we'll have decent $20K range performance at GM. the Solstice is yet to come out, etc. so no, we're not exactly taking it hard from GM hp_nut. we're all waiting to see. the performance is coming...

 

I will just post a quote from someone and you guys tell me who it is it may no work for the rest of you but it does for me

"Have faith."

Also I don't know what is coming but it seems like you F*rd guys didn't have much to say from 93-02 but NOW you seem to care about performance. Maybe will we see you talking about how much of a better seller your car is or bragging about how your 50K Cobra can come close to the base vette when GM makes our car in the near future. Also I believe Red stated that a Holden car couldn't come in and just replace Camaro. You know THE legend, the car that walked all over the mustang at the track for what was it the last 10 years. Also with the L98 f-bods running neck and neck with 5.0 LX's in the 80's.

You guys crow as much as you want now, we had our turn and we will have it again.

 

"mighty PacerX"? Did you eat Cream of Wheat this morning or something?

Damn...did we miss the release of something from GM between yesterday morning and this morning? Is the 2006 625 HP "beat all Fords" "Super Vette" now a reality? Please point us to the link to the road test, production announcement, or anything else besides the words of someone that talks like a 7 year old on steroids.

Thanks.

So....due time is now? Something has changed between yesterday morning and this morning? Or are we just deciding that everything reported on AutolineDetroit.tv is the end all of information? So long as it meets ones paradigm's and expectations, no doubt.

I will once again say that we may indeed see a 2006 C6 Vette with 625-ish HP, etc, etc. However, the absolutes that some of the more silly members here post (such as the guarantees of GM never being beat in a HP war) are still idiotic, childish, and lacking of credibility.

Kindly see comments above, and please don't feel too bad if I don't take your word for it.

Hmmm....must be. Must also be difficult to get out of your car every morning after the drive to work knowing that you won't have a mirror to stare into for the next 8 hours or so (perhaps you drive to lunch - allowing a self-admiration break?)

You seem like a pretty level-headed person. Some of your comments don't do you many favors. Stereotyping is dumb - sort of like talking in absolutes. Know what I mean?

I listen and pay close attention to a couple of the folks you mention. The other(s) I consider blowhards - even if they do have good, usually accurate information.

Plans change - suddenly or otherwise.

I'd say its more like 70%. Prove me wrong - or yourself right. Otherwise, I could say any number and I would be just as accurate as you.

Not a flame, please don't take it as such.

That's a silly statement - and speaking only for myself, totally unfounded and false. Stereotyping.....usually a bad thing.

This is why some lose credibility - they talk in absolutes. Perfect example.

Ok. Everybody that is underestimating and provoking GM, please speak up.










Thank you. Next comment.

Read that sentence again. The implication is that only GM fans are "enthusiasts", and it is "unfortunate" for everyone else (meaning non-GM fans) that GM is considering coming out with some more high-powered machinery.

You'll forgive me if I consider myself an enthusiast first, and biased towards Ford second. To support this, I'll restate that the car I owned prior to my Cobra was a 99 T/A (I sold a 98 Cobra to get it - see the connection?)....and I did not trade it because it was "slow" or rattled or any other number of things you sometimes hear.

We can agree, and I, for one, hope you are right.

That statement makes a lot of sense, IMHO. Though I'd be careful using "will have" when talking about the HP. It could have less, or it could even have more. Time will tell.

Whilst I pay the most attention to what GuionM has to say, he is certainly not the only one (I think it unwise to name further names). However, I agree with your 14 year old statement. Those kind of folks feed the basic demographic that I mentioned in the previous thread....and they eat it up.

Final comment on this post (not necessarily this thread ). This is a GM-oriented site. One would expect to see GM-biased folks be the predominent posters here - and of course that is the case. However, that doesn't mean that a "GM-biased Enthusiasts" is any better, or more right, than a "Ford-biased enthusiasts", or those that are just enthusiasts in general.

IMHO....when GM, Ford, Chrysler, or even (I hate to admit it) the imports come out with cars that peak the excitement meter of true enthusiasts, that is a good thing, and will only serve to benefit all of us - if not sooner, then perhaps a little bit later.

Kudo's to GM for the LS1/LS6 (best mass-produced performance motor ever built, IMHO)

Kudo's to Ford for the 03 Cobra, the 'L', and new GT (and no matter what anybody says, I'm partial to my 99 too)

Kudo's to Chrysler for the faster and faster Viper and SRT-4 (even if I wouldn't buy one)

And another Kudo to GM/Ford/whomever else for their FUTURE performance cars....I hope they live up to the hype we see here.

Check back this evenin. Ya'll have a fine day.

 

If you children can't act like adults and discuss things in a mature manner....without the pathetic flaming and Ricer "Magazine Racing" attitudes....then take it to the Lounge.....the rest of us are SICK AND TIRED of the bitching and complaining!

Read the damned rules and grow the f*** up......you know who you are.

 

Amen Brotha

 

"And go stand in the corner until the buzzer goes off, then no dessert and TV for the night."

Well it work on me when my Mom told me this at the age of three.

Seriously though, while the last thread had some argument, this really isn’t going anywhere. We are arguing about products that are not yet confirmed. Now I might sound hypocritical, since I run around these boards saying the '07 Camaro is coming, but at the same time I'm not talking about how its going to blow away the '07 Cobra.

I also know where the "have faith" comment came from and I do. I believe GM will come out with very affordable and powerful car by the end of the decade. Things just take time. You cant engineer a car over night. I’ll let Ford have its day. We all know this Car war is going to go back and forth until the end of time. At least I hope it does. I just want to see cool cars.

And a final note and not a flame at all because I'm not going to get into this, but Bob what are you going to do if Pacer is right and this Corvette beast is released in a few years?

 

To answer your question, Bob will be busy re-reading all of his stupid bullsh!t posts that two-dozen people who are sick to death of him will happily cut, paste and forward to him when the time is right.

 

Are you here to make positive contributions? Just wondering if I should add you to the "ignore" list now...

 

 

Sorry, my emotions got away! I'm usually pretty positive. It's just annoying when we GM enthusiats get on the board to dream and find out as much inside info as we can, but the other camps jump in and highjack our threads and bash every glimmer of hope we have.

 

....and the winner this week for making GuionM spit coffee through is nose by reading an unexpected post goes to........


Seriously though, there's a few things thats come to the surface the past week that will probally make me eat a little crow. Seems even I underestimated General Motors.

I'll post a thread on it later today or tomorrow.

PS: Take it easy on RP. The only reason I knew Holden was going to export a car to the US because I knew someone directly involed. I think RP was going by the opinions of the old-guard GM naysayers & killjoys. No biggie.

As I always say, you'll never get scoops from the top guys. Always go to the troops in the trenches. They're the ones who know what's going on.

 

BAH! How can you just do that to us? I'm gunna be thinking about this all day at work now...

 

So hp_nut, apparently you have purchased your 05' GT for 24k and already dyno tested it and got 275 at the wheels. You know you talk a lot of **** about how people are talking about vehicles of the future yet you do the same thing.