94_Z28_ragtop, the Legacy GT is a nice car!

-B

 

In the last few years of production, wasnt the base Z28 only around 24k? If so thats one hell of a deal for a high 12/low 13 second car.

 

My 2002 Z28 is a stripper with the only options being Eagle GS-C tires and rear defrost. It stickered at just under $24,000. I get the GMS discount. Out the door I paid $19,800 and that included sales tax, title and plates. I think the actual purchase price was $18,700 or so.

 

Man thats one hell of a steal. To bad most dealers orderd moderate to fully loaded cars that cost around 30-35k...Hmm...Do we see the same pattern being priced high?

BTW Ragtop, on your stripper model, what options came with your car standard? pw, pl, cruise?

 

I agree with everything you said, however consider this. When you buy that Subaru, where does the profit go? It certainly does not stay in the US. I love it when people tell me they bought an American car because their Camry was built in KY...not quite, folks.

No flames intended, and this is merely an opinion...and we all know what opinions are worth. But it is something I think more people should at least think about...

 

Uhh....no, no & no. It does have the Monsoon audio and A/C standard. Crank windows, manual locks, no cruise, manual seats, etc. It truly is a stripper.

That's very true to an extent. There are more than a few foreign car companies with the big 3 as parents or partial owners. Example:

GM - owns Saab & Daewoo. Part owner of Subaru, Fuji Heavy Ind. (Isuzu)

Ford - owns Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover. Part owner of Mazda.

Chrysler - Now owned by Germans so who cares what they own! That means by your logic you can't buy any Chrysler vehicles because the profits go to Germany.

No flames intended. I really do agree with you. I'm looking at it more and more like this, though. Some manufacturing industry is better for our countries economy than none so I'd rather have those transplants here than not.

 

well trouble with the 4th gen Camaro's, was the performance great (with the odd trait of solid rear axle), but the build quality(both real and percieved) and refinement were bottom of the barrel in that pricerange..

Subaru Legacy GT or the MazdaSpeed 6.. nice choices!

Wish GM had a midsized V8 RWD performance 4 door sedan that would be a viable alternative to a turbo'd AWD performance sedan.

 

Consider that these transplants employ thousands of americans and most of these companies believe in manufacturing locally (for the local market). They encourage their suppliers to also manufacture locally (translation: jobs), and have a close working relationship with them to help each other earn a profit. Meanwhile the big 2.5 have an adverserial relationship with suppliers and demand low (or no) margins ('China pricing') on all parts and are essentially forcing suppliers to source parts in asia as far as the eye can see. So soon when that new made in the USA GM car has mostly foreign parts ask yourself... which is more American? It's not so clear anymore.

 

Well said.

 

There is actually a very technical formula the government issues manufacturers in order for it to claim it was 'built in xxx, USA'...and the bottom line is that it has to sum up 51% only. I can't remember if it was by gross weight, value or what to be honest, buts very easily to manipulate.

 

This is a good way to kill the car before it even hits the streets.

No one (relatively speaking) wants this kind of thing anymore.

People WANT leather. Heck, you can get it in trucks and in Cobalts now.
People WANT OnStar. It is a significant safety and convience item.
Peopel WANT 6 Disc changers.
etc, etc ect...

Want we NEED is a kick *** car that offers all the goodies that is priced like the new Mustang.

They can do it, why can't we?

 

Apparently we don't feel like it.

 

Sad. But, so far... true.

 

Yup