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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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I never said Zeta was overweight because of it's IRS.
Soon after the VE announcement there was an article in one of the Australian newspapers (probably smh) that mentioned that the the IRS+rear subassembly (or something like that) added 30kg.

But even if a live axle saved 75 pounds, I don't expect to hear you asking for that.
Old Jan 18, 2007 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by teal98
Soon after the VE announcement there was an article in one of the Australian newspapers (probably smh) that mentioned that the the IRS+rear subassembly (or something like that) added 30kg.

But even if a live axle saved 75 pounds, I don't expect to hear you asking for that.

Yeah, I remember that story. Assuming it's veracity is unimpeachable, regarding that 75 lbs, (actually I think they were comparing it to the old IRS w/o subframe rather than a live axle), that tells me the VE's structure is needlessly heavy.

Why? Because the IRS subframe adds mass and rigidity to the whole rear structure, which with careful analysis, can enable you to decrease mass somewhere else. IF we believe that 75 lbs number, then that would tell us, that the rear structure probably has some needless weight somewhere.

And there you have it!
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Assuming it's veracity is unimpeachable,

Impressive vernacular mate, did you swallow a thesaurus today?
Old Jan 18, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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Yeah, I remember that story. Assuming it's veracity is unimpeachable, regarding that 75 lbs, (actually I think they were comparing it to the old IRS w/o subframe rather than a live axle), that tells me the VE's structure is needlessly heavy.
Is anybody's veracity unimpeachable?

I also remember that it was comparing to the old IRS, which I'm told was simple and not as effective as the newer IRS.
Old Jan 22, 2007 | 10:33 AM
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some body-in-white comparative masses would be insightful...
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