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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 12:04 AM
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You wont see a V12 Camaro if its going to go into a 100k+ Super Caddy.
That would probably be the dumbest GM could do, and a great way to take away any prestige of the V12 super caddy.
"My V12 S600 is a fantastic machine"
"Well my V12 ULS out performs it in every way, and has more luxuious features then your MB"
"Yes well, isnt that the same engine that is in a Camero..."
"uh..yeah...it is"

Done.

Get it out of your heads. Cant you guys just enjoy a supercharged pushrod motor?
No one's saying it should go into the Camaro from factory, but that it could possibly be swapped in if a gear head had the time and money
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 09:58 AM
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Im just making sure before this gets out, and then 2 weeks from now someone comes to this site, saying that they heard from there 2nd cousin wh works for a guy who owns CTS who he bought from a dealer that is in Detroit that the Camaro was getting a V12.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Als Z
a guy who owns CTS who he bought from a dealer that is in Detroit that the Camaro was getting a V12.
What, the new Camaro is getting a V12!!!!!?!!?!! If the Z28 gets a LS3 then this engine must be for the SS because SS>Z28




Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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OHHHHHHHH man, someone is gunna have a heartastrokeizm.....
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Als Z
You wont see a V12 Camaro if its going to go into a 100k+ Super Caddy.
That would probably be the dumbest GM could do, and a great way to take away any prestige of the V12 super caddy.
"My V12 S600 is a fantastic machine"
"Well my V12 ULS out performs it in every way, and has more luxuious features then your MB"
"Yes well, isnt that the same engine that is in a Camero..."
"uh..yeah...it is"

Done.

Get it out of your heads. Cant you guys just enjoy a supercharged pushrod motor?
A V12 from the factory in high production, no of course not. GM is much more likely to put the super vette engine in a couple of Camaros(I'd guess ~100).

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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
What, the new Camaro is getting a V12!!!!!?!!?!! If the Z28 gets a LS3 then this engine must be for the SS because SS>Z28




You just had to go there didn't you?!
Old Mar 24, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
One of the new six-speeds will probably be able to take that - the 6L80 in the STS-V is already handling 439 lb-ft, and it's not a stretch to suggest that there's a lot more strength available in the architecture. Maybe Joe will chime in...

EDIT: Ignore that last part - he'll just suggest using an Allison 1000


Heck, for added insurance, they could use the Allison 4000/4500 family. They go behind engines with torque in the neighborhood of 1200-1850 lb-ft or so.

Old Mar 25, 2007 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C


Heck, for added insurance, they could use the Allison 4000/4500 family. They go behind engines with torque in the neighborhood of 1200-1850 lb-ft or so.

You laugh now, but the 4000 can hold ONLY 600hp.
But on a more serious note, That thing is too heavy and doesn't have enough gears.

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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by number77
You laugh now, but the 4000 can hold ONLY 600hp.
But on a more serious note, That thing is too heavy and doesn't have enough gears.
Ah yes, indeed. There was nothing serious at all about me suggesting the use of an HD Allison in a V12 Caddy (or in ANY car, for that matter).

The dry weight (no trans oil) of the 4000 is between 800-900 lbs. It's a six speed gearbox. There is also a 4700 model with 7 speeds, but in that case it adds an super low "creeper" first gear. That one weighs about 1100 lbs.

That's a bit beefy for a normal car or truck.
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