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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 04:40 PM
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Also from the same person, he has said it sounds fantastic, and one of the engineers said it was 300kw but that is to early to be confirmed
sadly that # means nothing to me... but 400hp does!

BUT, I doubt it will be rated that in the GTO. more likely it will be rated @390hp or something close, but < 400hp. most people have little concept of power/weight ratios, all they see is hp #'s. SO even if the C6 will obviously be quicker with the same hp than the GTO, the GTO will still be rated lower.

I mean, if GM decided to underrate the Gen4 to "only" 400hp so that the 405hp Z06 owners don't feel "cheated" or "obsolete" or whatever, there is no way the GTO will be "making" the same hp as the new flagship.

ok, I'm done.

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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 04:45 PM
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Well 300 Kw equates to 405Hp
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 02:50 AM
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I don't want to start any flame wars..or better yet I do...but...I think that when GM dropped the LT-5 into the Corvette they were Way ahead of themselves. THey should have stayed wit hteh LT-5 engineering and worked it from there. For what is was the tuning was way beyong LS anything.

LT-5 my favorite Fuel injected engine

LT5

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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 03:22 AM
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mate, your living in a dream world were cost along with other issues don't exist. I believe the LT5 was a very expensive engine, the LSx is cheap and much better in many other areas than the LT5 ever was.
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 06:11 AM
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LT5 cost $20,000 more than a LS6 that puts out the same power and is more fuel efficent.
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Heatmaker
I don't want to start any flame wars..or better yet I do...but...I think that when GM dropped the LT-5 into the Corvette they were Way ahead of themselves. THey should have stayed wit hteh LT-5 engineering and worked it from there. For what is was the tuning was way beyong LS anything.

LT-5 my favorite Fuel injected engine

LT5
I think GM is moving along those LT5 days, the proposed and rumored ZL1 seems to fit that. Like the LT5's builder Mercury Marine, and its engineering partners Illmor and Lotus. Rumor has it GM is seeking McLaren for work on the Twin turboed beast. While it may not be DOHC it certainly will make the power.
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by 99SilverSS
I think GM is moving along those LT5 days, the proposed and rumored ZL1 seems to fit that. Like the LT5's builder Mercury Marine, and its engineering partners Illmor and Lotus. Rumor has it GM is seeking McLaren for work on the Twin turboed beast. While it may not be DOHC it certainly will make the power.
but that doesnt matter to heattaker. he sees all the pretty little tubes and hears that the engine has 4 cams instead of 1 so it MUST be better.

face it, the troll wont be happy with anything GM does.
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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The only reason the LT5 was 20K was the limited production qauntities. If they had spread the engine out a little, econiomies of scale would have surely had an effect.

It was an awesome engine for it's time and with some more development, it would have been still awesome here today.
A big reason why the Z06 is quicker is the 400lb lighter weight.

I read that in the development, the bore centres were made the same on the LT5 as the regular sbc. This limited the valve sizes that could be fitted and ultimatley cost some power, as the LT5 was orginally tageted for 400hp/400lbs-ft.
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 03:56 PM
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Whoever that "source" is had better be careful what he's (or she's) talking about. It is one thing to publish a picture of car that has already been released (in other words, no harm done publishing a pic of the "left hand drive"-labeled development cars b/c the real thing is already on the road, though it could still get him canned if discovered). However, it is quite another thing to come on and talk about future plans and specific engines and power outputs possibly going into a future derivative of a vehicle. :blah:
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Z28x
LT5 cost $20,000 more than a LS6 that puts out the same power and is more fuel efficent.

BINGO!!
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 05:18 PM
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BINGO!!
Originally posted by 305fan
The only reason the LT5 was 20K was the limited production qauntities. If they had spread the engine out a little, econiomies of scale would have surely had an effect.

It was an awesome engine for it's time and with some more development, it would have been still awesome here today.
A big reason why the Z06 is quicker is the 400lb lighter weight..
It was 20 grand because it was a complex engine, nothing more. Ford's quad cam 4.6 and the newer SHO engines aren't as complex as that engine was.

In all credit, it was an advanced engine, and it did produce alot of power for it's day, and just like everything from "Iron Duke" Pontiacs to Dodo birds, everything would get better with more development. Fact is, the cars failed in the marketplace after collectors got theirs, the engine wasn't worth the investment, and General Motors lost a considerable amount of money on the whole project.

If there was any way GM could have made money on the engine, and if the 95% of Corvette buyers who are simply guys like us who save up to own a Corvette, and aren't the "moneyed" guys who can afford a hyper priced version bought them up, the engine would have survived.

That's one thing GM didn't screw up. It simply didn't sell and it was a money looser for the company. That's all.
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