1fastdog

Who said GM asked Scott to leave this site or any other. I'd be inclined to believe it's his choice for reasons he would share if he felt like it.

I think I know the man from Mars pretty well, particularly when it comes to integrity, ethics, as well as enthusiasm... and maybe other folks don't.

guionM

stars1010

This sucks. Red is gone and GM will probably have even tighter doors than before.

Now I really don’t mean this as a low blow but as my true opinion.
I am a huge Camaro fan, I love 4th gens and will own another one in the near future, but the more I frequent this forum the more I feel like the wind is taken out of my sails about getting excited for the future of GM products. It's a roller coaster here. We get great news one day only to have things totally blown apart the next. I really don’t know what to believe here anymore. I assume there are some cool things coming down the pipeline but I just have a bad taste in my mouth now when I think of GM. I really just don’t like how I see they treat their own enthusiast. If I could get into Ford products the grass looks a lot greener over there with the relationship they have with their enthusiast.

Please don’t look at this post as a post to try and change anything or just a rant. It’s my honest opinion right now. I guess I’m a bit exhaust from waiting if ya know what I mean.

I'm ganna miss Red, he is one of the reasons I’m the huge Camaro fan I am today.

This Corvette picture scandal is not going to be good for the enthusiast relationship with GM. What actually happened and how everyone perceives it may be very different. This will not help GM.

number77

wait, red said that its very competitive. but i thought the whole point of the z06 was to make very little profit to give true enthusiast a really good bang for the buck car?

Darth Xed

It's very hard to argue with anything you are saying here.

I have to admit, there are times when I feel the same way.

redzed

Red Planet's given us a fair amount of candor, some of which isn't exactly the "party line." Personally, I think that Red Planet is the farthest thing from a propagandist or a pusher. Unlike some posters, Scott Settlemire is not making a sales pitch for "all thing GM."

Red Planet isn't a corporate puppet or a mouthpiece, and I'm sure that we'll hear from him again.

1. I don't see how any pictures of the upcoming Z06 could be damaging to prospects of the car? There are no surprises here.

2. As long as the pictures are put to non-commercial use, where the financial loss? It's not as if some unscrupulous vendors are going to put these images on T-shirts and sell them a hip-hop concerts.

3. BMW leaked an entire 3-series brochure a year in advance - all the info on their most important upcoming model - and there was no attempt to put the Genie-back-in-the-bottle? What does GM have to be paranoid about? Where's the big deal?

Is the point of a site like CamaroZ28.com just to trumpet manufacturer released information - on a timetable of the manufacturer's choosing? Are we all members of a "pep squad?" Is CamaroZ28.com just a marketing device of General Motors? I'd hope that the answer is no on all counts.

number77

redzed. it actually works in GMs favor. when someone talks about future info on a car everyone gets riled up and feeds off of eachothers excitement. but if something like the aztek comes out it has the opposite effect.
my mom works for toyota and she told me about the scion brand before it came out and showed me the pics of the cars. (it was official, the same stuff that was given to customers at dealers is what she had). she said in california they did surveys to find out what people wanted in the scion brand. i said it wouldn't work. but it did. why? because they talked to their customers.
so i know toyota talks to the customers, VW does, but not GM? take a hint from the fastest growing company, listen to what people want.

MunchE

As Z28Wilson posted, that's the problem here. A guy who posted "Is this real?" on the 'vette forum got a threatening visit from GM. This isn't GM finding whoever leaked the image and fixing the problem there, it's threatening the people who just so happened to find the image and asked their friends if it was legit.

Honestly, this is a huge overreaction on GM's part and is alienating me from the company a lot. Instead of Red, who usually acts as our friend in the company who would love to help but can't, reassuring us and explaining what's up, he's joining the attitude of being mad at the community for checking out the pictures, instead of being mad at whoever released them to us.

To use an analogy for the family folks here, say you go Christmas shopping for your kids, and you leave the presents lying in the middle of the living room floor. Your kids come home and are excited and happy about their presents.

Do you get mad at your kids for seeing it, or do you get mad at the person who left them out? If your dad was GM, you'd have gotten a whippin'.

Honestly, this is really hurting GM with the hardcore fanbase. Especially over on the 'vette forums, I bet they're even more upset than us. These are the people GM expects to buy this car, and they're threatening legal action for linking a picture to it? Sue your customers? Sounds like GM is learning marketing from the RIAA

1fastdog

This might be of some interest as RC45 appears to be the fellow saying he had a visit form a security company from GM... is this his post that perhaps started this thing? I don't really know... You can read his comments through the thread..

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showt...8&page=1&pp=15

Depending on how you read it, one might read and come to an opinion he was not concerned with GM's position on the pic.

ChrisL

So true Doug. So true.

Evil Turbo SS

BS... Do you have to goose step to work at GM...

Its Public Domain the moment it was posted on the internet. The only person who commit a crime was the orignal theft of the pictue.... Is it Illegal to film a crime in progress.... thats what hosting a pic onlin e is.

Magnum Force

exactly...based on his posts in that thread, he didn't seem overly remorseful about posting propriatary info (i daresay he even seemed giddy and proud to do it)...
so **** on him...he knew what he was doing and got caught...I just hate it when people play the victim role after getting the hammer dropped on them.
GM investigators read that thread, and there's no wonder there's an angry knock at the door a couple days later

redzed

Considering that both Scion offering before the tC were just Japanese market 2-box "people carriers," Toyota didn't have to do much in response to all those surveys. The xB was little more that a Japanese homemarket bB (which stands for "Big Box" with upgraded bumpers for North America. I guess all those survey respondents had always wanted rebodied Echos that had previously been sold exclusively in Japan?

The VW reference is also "rich," considering that they currently are losing a grand or two on every unit sold in North America. Blame the strong Euro. Blame a product cycle that's just about to change over. Blame VW for overstocking Jettas and Passats - all in an attempt to force very European, slightly quirky products into the mainstream.

The issue here isn't GM's inability to "listen." The problem is that they don't want us to see what they've got in store. Perhaps they're gearing up to prevent the negative buzz from "something like the Aztek."

number77

that is the post that GM saw. but its not the whole story

Doug Harden

A few quotes by the MORON, Paul aka RC45 who screwed it up for ALL of us..

I personally want GM to fry this @$$hole....selfish bastard.....