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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
This is true

I've concluded - there are some who are simply jealous of my substantial enthusiasm for GM's cars
Enthusiam is good....acting like you are on Uranus and oblivious to reality is not so good
Old Nov 20, 2005 | 12:59 AM
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Enthusiam is good....acting like you are on Uranus and oblivious to reality is not so good
Hmm... guess I should have used the 'winkie' emoticon there with that statement. I actually considered that but I thought the sarcasm was obvious enough without it. Oh well.

Seriously though. If I'm being unrealistic... I'm not the only one. I daresay there's some here going just as far to the other extreme. GM's been thru some close calls before... and they pulled thru just fine. I believe they will do so again.
Old Nov 20, 2005 | 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
www.bmw.com. Perhaps those are 2006 numbers?
bmw.com has the European output numbers. 333 is the SAE net horsepower of the M3 as sold in North America. I think most, if not all, of the difference is down to metric versus imperial and different measuring standards. I know that 343 metric hp is the same as 338 imperial hp. The other 5 are probably the SAE versus DIN (I think, or maybe there's a new EC standard). But there might be a slight tuning difference too. The torque difference is something like 7 lb ft, and the entire difference would be tuning or measurement standards.

In any case, when comparing the American GTO with the American M3, the numbers are 333 versus 400. Not that 10hp is any huge difference.

But enough obsessing about the M3.
Old Nov 20, 2005 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RussStang
Yeah, I am reading it now and it isn't all that correct. Heh, I don't even remember making that post. Last night at 3 in the morning when I made that post of wasn't exactly "of sound mind". I can't see why you couldn't design a torque converter for a 9000 RPM engine, as long as you have a great cooling system for it to pump its fluid to. Honda has hinted that their next s2000 will have an auto option; I wonder if the automatic will be tuned down Rx8 style or not.
If I'm not mistaken the current S2000's redline is down from 9000rpm to 7800 rpm in U.S. models, thanks to the "stroker" engine. Maybe stroke it another 200cc and the redline comes down to something an auto can handle. Or design a new auto for it???
Old Nov 20, 2005 | 11:59 AM
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Germans rate their cars using DIN which is in "metric horsepower." hence the difference. The PS (Pferdestärke = horse strength, used in Germany, Japan, and South America) is equivalent to ~735 W, or about 98.6% of SAE hp, yeilding the results teal98 gave.
Old Nov 20, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by teal98
If I'm not mistaken the current S2000's redline is down from 9000rpm to 7800 rpm in U.S. models, thanks to the "stroker" engine. Maybe stroke it another 200cc and the redline comes down to something an auto can handle. Or design a new auto for it???
I believe the new redline is 8200 rpm for the f22c they use in it now. They could probably stroke it alittle more, but the s2000 engine is undersquared to begin with I believe, so I wonder how much more they could stroke it before the rod/stroke ratio starts becoming way out of whack. There have been some known engine problems with high revving Hondas where some types of their engines create too much thrust on the cylinder wall to be acceptable due to the shorter rod.
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