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Old Aug 28, 2003 | 01:48 PM
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I still stand by this statement:
The "Z/28" has a history unique to Camaro; whereas the History of the "SS" goes back to a trim package on a six-cylinder 1961 Impala and is also going to be used by GM on everything from 4-cylinder fwd econo-boxes (Cobalt SS), to sluggish pig awd pickup trucks (Silverado SS) over the next few years.

Certainly if the Camaro is reborn it deserves a much better image than the modern-day "SS" has to offer.


As far as 350 Camaro's beating Z/28's in 60's drag racing 99SilverSS... Have you ever herd of Herb Fox, Fred Gibb, or Dave Strickler?
Old Aug 28, 2003 | 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by jg95z28
I still stand by this statement:


As far as 350 Camaro's beating Z/28's in 60's drag racing
My Camaro SS350, couldn't beat anything.
Old Aug 28, 2003 | 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by jg95z28

As far as 350 Camaro's beating Z/28's in 60's drag racing 99SilverSS... Have you ever herd of Herb Fox, Fred Gibb, or Dave Strickler?
Yea I've heard of them all, Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins as well....

Who cares about the 60's 350's when my LS1 "350" can beat the ol Z/28's!

My point wasn't the 350 being a better motor than the 302 besides in c.i. although it has argueably more potential. If GM had put as much effort into the 350 as they did in the 302 or even the 396-427's then the 350's would've really been sweet. The point was the SS had more engine options, and more powerful ones as well.
Old Aug 28, 2003 | 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by 99SilverSS
Yea I've heard of them all, Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins as well....

Who cares about the 60's 350's when my LS1 "350" can beat the ol Z/28's!

My point wasn't the 350 being a better motor than the 302 besides in c.i. although it has argueably more potential. If GM had put as much effort into the 350 as they did in the 302 or even the 396-427's then the 350's would've really been sweet. The point was the SS had more engine options, and more powerful ones as well.
If I'm not mistaken, the post 2000 LS1 Camaro Z28s were the quickest and fastest regular production Camaros to ever leave the factory. These not only outperformed all other Z28s, it's almost a match with the non-production ZL-1s.

Before you try, no ones going to convince me an engine alone that cost over $4,000 (when a well equpted Camaro SS cost just a hair over $3,000..... for the whole car!) and a production run of just 69 cars is a production vehicle.

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Old Aug 28, 2003 | 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by 99SilverSS
Yea I've heard of them all, Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins as well....

Who cares about the 60's 350's when my LS1 "350" can beat the ol Z/28's!
Your second post in this thread was pretty cool IMO. You stated your OPINION as just that, and I read it all - open-minded and earnestly. You yourself chose to compare the 302 against the 350 and even 396, now in this last post you say something like this...
"Who cares about the 60's 350's when my LS1 "350" can beat the ol Z/28's!"
How lame. I hope you meant that with extreme humor - thus the smilie - but even at that, your argument for SS being King of Camaroland just lost LOTS of ground.

Along those lines, I can arrange for you to run your big-cube LS1 against a puny, little, stock 281 ci engine if you like. It's a 2003 model. Giving up that many cubes to your 350 would surely give you a victory over the 'lil Cobra, wouldn't it? After all, you put 30 years of technology behind your choice to run against the '69 Z/28 302 car, I'm only asking for 1 year between my choice and yours...

OK, that was unfair. I'd rather see your 350 played with by a stock 40-year-old engine. Lemme see if I can arrange for a buddy in Charlotte to dig out a stock AC Cobra 289. NO, make that a Sunbeam Tiger 289... No make that a Sunbeam Alpine.... no make it a... oh Nevermind. None of that junk has GM written on it. I need to go do some research.

While I'm doing that research, I'll look for a manufacturers championship won with an SS. I'll let you know if I find one!

I sincerely appologize for the sarcasm, but that was just WRONG.
Old Aug 29, 2003 | 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by jrp4uc
I don't see the issue of trim level hierarchy deterring someone from buying an otherwise worthy automobile. Currently, it seems Chevy is content to have "SS" be the top model designation for everything outside of Corvette.
Is it important to even call it Camaro?
Old Aug 29, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by ProudPony
Your second post in this thread was pretty cool IMO. You stated your OPINION as just that, and I read it all - open-minded and earnestly. You yourself chose to compare the 302 against the 350 and even 396, now in this last post you say something like this...
"Who cares about the 60's 350's when my LS1 "350" can beat the ol Z/28's!"
How lame. I hope you meant that with extreme humor - thus the smilie - but even at that, your argument for SS being King of Camaroland just lost LOTS of ground.

Along those lines, I can arrange for you to run your big-cube LS1 against a puny, little, stock 281 ci engine if you like. It's a 2003 model. Giving up that many cubes to your 350 would surely give you a victory over the 'lil Cobra, wouldn't it? After all, you put 30 years of technology behind your choice to run against the '69 Z/28 302 car, I'm only asking for 1 year between my choice and yours...

OK, that was unfair. I'd rather see your 350 played with by a stock 40-year-old engine. Lemme see if I can arrange for a buddy in Charlotte to dig out a stock AC Cobra 289. NO, make that a Sunbeam Tiger 289... No make that a Sunbeam Alpine.... no make it a... oh Nevermind. None of that junk has GM written on it. I need to go do some research.

While I'm doing that research, I'll look for a manufacturers championship won with an SS. I'll let you know if I find one!

I sincerely appologize for the sarcasm, but that was just WRONG.
Nice ProudPony. Very Nice. Every time I've challenged his statements he's come back with a different version to justify his stance. This leads me to one conclusion. He knows less about cars than my 17 year old.

Years ago I had a friend with one of those 289 Tigers. I think you're right on that one!
Old Aug 29, 2003 | 01:49 PM
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Actually, if you're looking for a 350 version of the 1st gen Z/28 "Special Performance" 302.....look no further that the '70 Z/28's LT-1. Because, essentially, that's what it was...with another .48 inches of stroke.
Old Aug 30, 2003 | 09:02 PM
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Guess what SilverSS?! Z28 was the most expensive every year until the 4th Gen, not the SS.
Old Aug 30, 2003 | 10:32 PM
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Apples to oranges when comparing or even saying which was better with this LS1 Z28-1st gen Z28-ZL1 bs.New technology vs old technology,who cares they're both cool....actually 1stgens are cooler
Old Aug 31, 2003 | 02:01 PM
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This thread is all wrong anyway....I have the last brochure that the Z28and SS were in (2002) and it lists SS as being the top performance Camaro
Old Aug 31, 2003 | 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by formula79
This thread is all wrong anyway....I have the last brochure that the Z28and SS were in (2002) and it lists SS as being the top performance Camaro
Touche!
Old Aug 31, 2003 | 05:22 PM
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Those were the revisionist BS Camaros.
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