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Re: Join me on a trip to the FUTURE!
Originally Posted by CLEAN
1. If the US goes all in w/ Ethanol, as Brazil has done, what happens to BIG OIL? Does it fight an unwinnable fight? Does it diversify and get in the corn business? Does it just shrink and only the strongest survive, like the computer companies have done?
Originally Posted by CLEAN
2. Does the US really become a world leader in energy EXPORTS? The middle east of the 21st century? And if so, what does it do w/ the untold riches that pour into the country?
also keep in mind that a lot of the technology is being developed and by defintion will be tested by the US by implementation, so it will be MUCH easier for other countries such as india or china to take our tried and true methods of energy production and implement them much cheaper than we ever could because they didn't have to go through the R&D costs nor the growing pains, rather they just get the finished product.
Originally Posted by CLEAN
3. Do we run the risk of a BIG CORN conglomerate that can manipulate prices and stick it to consumers just as BIG OIL does today?
Originally Posted by CLEAN
4. As the oil fields run dry, what of the nations that were previously oil rich, but now find themselves oil poor? Also, what of the nations which are unable to grow the kinds of crops necessary for ethanol production? Do they just import ethanol like they used to import oil/gasoline?
as far as the countries that cannot produce their own ethanol, such as most of europe or japan, they will continue to import their energy requirements, but i also expect the expansion of electrically powered items and the expansion of the nuclear infrastructure to provide for those items.
Re: Join me on a trip to the FUTURE!
Incredibly, just a small portion of US oil needs is supplied from the middle east. There was a good article in Popular Mechanics, and US buys just 6% from Saudi Arabia. Another 6% from nigeria. Then 10% from Canada. And some more from Venezuela.
Like someone said already, about 55% of oil is imported.
Still, for cars that switch to E85, they get significantly lower MPG than running on regular fuel. Yes, it's higher octane, but if you take into account lower mpg, it actually becomes more expensive to run E85 (again, the break-down was provided by Popular Mechanics). I'll dig it up once I get home.
Like someone said already, about 55% of oil is imported.
Still, for cars that switch to E85, they get significantly lower MPG than running on regular fuel. Yes, it's higher octane, but if you take into account lower mpg, it actually becomes more expensive to run E85 (again, the break-down was provided by Popular Mechanics). I'll dig it up once I get home.
Re: Join me on a trip to the FUTURE!
Originally Posted by muckz
Still, for cars that switch to E85, they get significantly lower MPG than running on regular fuel. Yes, it's higher octane, but if you take into account lower mpg, it actually becomes more expensive to run E85 (again, the break-down was provided by Popular Mechanics). I'll dig it up once I get home.
Re: Join me on a trip to the FUTURE!
I would really like to see a study of GDI engines, high compression motor and E85 ability? Could the benift of very high compression that is allowed with E85 and Direct Injection, actualy increase gas milage? How about with the help of a turbocharger, as in this case, to increase effiency?
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My '03 Suburban gets about 25% less gas milage on the E85 than it does on traditional gasoline. You pay about 25% less for it: so it becomes a push when you look at it from the direct-consumer-cost perspective. The trucks drives & feels the same. Buring ethynol releases the carbons that corn requires during it's growth, so the net-effect (environment-wise) is near-neutral. Ethynol production is currently limited. As production and refining ramp up, it will be more readily available - and be cheaper than it is now (some estimate it could get as low as $0.70-$1.00/gallon). My only complaint is that you really hafta look to find the gas stations that offer it. Personally, I'd like to see GM become the first automaker to offer a full-line of flex-fuel vehicles: make every GM vehicle a flex-fuel vehicle and MARKET the heck out of it.
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Re: Join me on a trip to the FUTURE!
Originally Posted by cmutt
My '03 Suburban gets about 25% less gas milage on the E85 than it does on traditional gasoline. You pay about 25% less for it: so it becomes a push when you look at it from the direct-consumer-cost perspective. The trucks drives & feels the same. Buring ethynol releases the carbons that corn requires during it's growth, so the net-effect (environment-wise) is near-neutral. Ethynol production is currently limited. As production and refining ramp up, it will be more readily available - and be cheaper than it is now (some estimate it could get as low as $0.70-$1.00/gallon). My only complaint is that you really hafta look to find the gas stations that offer it. Personally, I'd like to see GM become the first automaker to offer a full-line of flex-fuel vehicles: make every GM vehicle a flex-fuel vehicle and MARKET the heck out of it.
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Thats what I was thinking. Once E85 production ramps up big time, prices should drop significantly. I also would love to see GM market the hell out of their Ethynol vehicles. I was pretty happy to see the E85 Avalanche display at the auto show I went to this year, hopefully they stay into it and really push for it.
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