Bkp even before the 2011 GT(if it ends up faster/quicker) the Camaro SS was not the top performing pony car.

 

Let's get our definitions in line. The GT500 is not a pony car. The SRT8 Challenger is not a pony car. If the Z28 comes out, I will not consider that a pony car.

These cars are in no way affordable. They all cost more than a Corvette and are low production, low demand specialty cars.

Challenger R/T, Mustang GT, Camaro SS.

For the MY 2010, the Camaro SS has the most HP, the most TQ, the best 0-60 and the best 1/4 mile. This is what the discussion here has been about. Nobody cares what a GT500 (that goes for almost $60,000 after markup) will do against a $32,000 Camaro SS or Mustang GT.

 

if you seriously believe that all GT500s sell for 60k.

 

Why wouldn't price affect it? When does it become a sports car? When does it become a quasi-exotic? Does it have to be a 2 seater to be a sports car? If you want to compare the GT and SS to cars $20,000 above their price range, that's fine. I won't even bother listening to that logic.

 

Way to erase half your original post about price not dictating what is and is not a pony car.

 

alright how much of a price difference do you have to have before you consider the cars not to be comparable?

 

The GT500 is a Mustang. Thus it is a pony car. An expensive one, but still a pony.

 

Your definition might be different than mine on what a pony car is. I had never seen price mentioned. I did find it mentioned a few places and other places not. So I removed that.

 

The top price for a 2010 GT500 is about $15,000 higher than the top price for a 2010 Camaro SS. And that's not including the extra dealer markup the GT500 brings. These cars are not in the same class.

 

Not all GT500s are sold with mark ups. Some are actually sold lower than MSRP.

Then of course the base GT500 is going to be basically a fully optioned SS to be on equal settings. These cars can be had in around a $7k difference range.

I find that to be fairly comparable myself.

 

The point was 110mph and 109mph from the Mustang does not point to the likelihood of seeing a significant amount (or any) of 112-113mph traps in the future, which would have clearly separated the Mustang from the Camaro. Perhaps the gearing and traction will be their to separate it from the Camaro in terms of ET, but so far, it doesn't look to be, atleast not significantly. More tests and actual owner times will determine if this is truely the case.

As for the Camaro seeming lethargic in comparison to the Mustang, I wouln't disagree. If you ask anyone that road races if you should lose weight or improve balance, they will all tell you to lose weight. The Camaro is balanced, but heavy. That being said, the CTS-V is a very capable handler that is repeatedly praised for hiding its weight. I'm hoping GM can apply some of that suspension tuning to the Camaro.

 

Actually BLP I will give you the price deal. It is a good difference between the GT500 and the SS. The SS is the better bargain.

I do however still consider the GT500 to be a pony car. I mean after all the term pony car was coined for the mustang to begin with.

 

Lets clear this ignorance up shall we. Comparing 2010 Camaro 2SS to a 2010 Mustang GT500. Pricing comes from Edmunds.

Base MSRP with destination and any applicable gas guzzler tax ($1,000 for GT500)

Camaro 2SS = $34,795
Mustang GT500 = $48,575

Delta = $13,780


Throw in HID's on the GT500 and RS package on the Camaro 2SS.

Camaro 2SS RS = $35,995
Mustang GT500 = $49,100

Delta = $13,105


Fully loaded with interior options (I don't consider ground effects and stupid 21" wheels to be traditional or normal options). Note: Camaro does not have the options to compare/compete with the GT500 here, perhaps in 2011 it will, but the prices are higher for the GT500 then.

Camaro 2SS RS = $37,395 (sunroof and interior accent package)
Mustang GT500 = $52,590 (shaker 1000 and electronics package)

Dela = $15,195

Schools out.


FYI, low mileage 07-09' GT500's can be had for very low $30's now and that price will only fall when the 2011 comes out. That is the best performance car deal out their right now in my opinion.

 

how can anyone expect the new mustang to be significantly faster with 14less hp but 240lbs lighter. To expect a significant difference in straightline performance would be unrealistic. The performance difference shows up in the other driving dynamics.

 

People did Maurissio, a LOT of people did. Most people still do for that matter.