I like the design. Would like to see it in person.

Pretty good specs for the 3.5. Audi has 255HP and BMW somewhere around there. Judging by their record, I don't see german automakers' HP rating climbing past 270 or 280 until the next model revision.

 

I think sometimes you come across almost as if you are rubbing Toyota's success in our face...that's why some get negative over you posts.

I would like to see Toyota succed if we put the same trade restrictions on them that Japan puts on us. I wonder how much their development budget would suffer is they had to spent $1500 a car on healthcare. Right now GM is fighting an unfair game and everyone knows it...but no one will do anything about it. It is sad to see our legacy industries at the point that they can not compete globally because of domestic pressures.

 

Maybe if the car were actually interesting, you might recieve some positive feedback. I can't speak for everyone on here, but I am sure I am not the only one who just thinks the car is boring, and isn't trying to turn this into some domestic versus import nonsense, as you seem to be implying. I have never been that impressed with Lexus, and I doubt this car is going to shatter the conceptions many enthusiasts already have on the brand. I have been in the old IS300, and I wasn't that impressed at all. Although I am relatively open to the possibility of the new IS300 being good, I must admit I doubt I will even come close to falling in love with the car, seeing that there has never been one Lexus product that has interested me, virtually ever.

Maybe if you didn't want to conform to the "circle jerk", you would post about a new vehicle or automotive technology that was, you know, exciting. Lexus/Toyota/Scion are percieved as very boring brands, because for the most part, they are. It also seems to be what you post about, almost exclusively. Somone posted recently about the new 6.3L AMG v8, which was pretty badass. That was interesting. Even the new Mercedes Brabus post was pretty interesting. If you had posted about the new Skyline GTR or something else interesting, perhaps you might have gotten the response you always seem to look for here with your Lexus posts.

Just my $.02 on the "circle jerk" going on here.

 

I guess I can see how some of my posts could be perceived as such and how that would be a sore subject for GM fans

I understand that and never have, as a result, blamed GM for being unable to market well in Japan. I mean on top of the trade restrictions in force, Japan just doesn't represent that many potential sales to GM regardless, especially for the effort it'd take to market cars to the Japanese (who tend to prefer very small economical cars for the most part of out necessity).
Here on US soil it's a fair game, though. The import brands do have to pay import taxes to an extent and honestly while I don't know the numbers, I can't imagine the numbers being too much worse than GM is paying per vehicle in health care costs. But honestly GM's healthcare policies can't be blamed on much of anyone else but GM and the unions that were developed within GM. Import taxes exercised on foreign car manufacturers is completely out of the control of anyone but Japan's government and our government.

 

Fair Game? That's almost laughable!

 

We just cant get a break, all of these cars are coming out with insane horsepower numbers, I might have to rush my heads/cam install just to break even lol!!! Just out of curiosity, what was the IS300 rated at horsepower/torque wise?

 

The car as a package sounds great, but the styling is ugly.

 

Much worse... something like 225 I think... can't remember exactly, and not nearly the torque band either (the IS350 should have a lot of power under the curve for a V6).

The old one was the ol' non-turbo inline six out of the supra. This is a sport version of the V6 used in the new Avalon and such.

 

Why are people calling this car an "appliance" ?
It's a RWD sporty sedan, isn't it?
Now I have had the Euro 6 cyl, the Japanese 4-banger, next step is the American 6/8, right?
Well if I don't get a sports car like I want (well it would only be good for one month a year in vancouver, anyways ) then a luxo sedan would definetely be on my priority list.

I like Cadillac; a LOT. I think GM is turning around and I feel compelled to give them a chance.
However, if this product is better than the CTS, i might have to cruise over to Lexus and check it out.

BTW just out of sheer curiosity (not being a smart-*** cause I honestly don't know the answer) but what kind of tariffs do the Japanese put on American cars coming in?

I'm sure you won't see a lot of American cars over there, but my friend said the rich ones drive Cadillacs and that they LOVE Coke and American singers, so don't think they are leeching off the stuff we buy from them only. It's a two way trade.

 

Give me one in Black, V8, AWD, and hybrid

 

That's how I feel about the STS

 

Ding ding ding...we have a winner. Sorry Brendan, there is no prize

Threxx,
You make a valid point about this being an appropriate forum to discuss upcoming vehicles. And indeed, it is interesting to talk about more than just GM products. However, Brendan hit the nail on the head...I feel that a lot of the time, you pump up Lexus/Toyota/Insert Japanese Brand Here, and consistently down domestics.

Or, maybe its the fact you defended the Honda Ridgeline...

I read your original post, and indeed you didn't really brag about it. My apologies for my flip response...it was inappropriate. However, when I tend to read your posts many times the theme is "Toyota is great...GM sucks because my friend's '04 Tahoe lost brakes one time." Its sad I know the year and model of the car, because I've seen you post it so much. Its a free board indeed...but sometimes the general bashing sentiment plays over the actual posts themselves.

 

The funny thing is I don't ever recall Threxx saluting the Japanese flag or anything like that. If you talk to him I'm sure he'll let you know pretty quickly how inferior he feels Mitsu, Mazda, etc. can be, even the ones made in Japan.
Toyota/Lexus and in some cases Honda/Acura work their ASSES off to get the quality, reliability, etc. high ranks. Why is it so bad to recognize this? Cause they're foreign? Meanwhile GM sits around on their hands and since their product came from a predominantly American manufacterer, it must be praised?

If Lexus was not around, Cadillacs would be held together with double-sided tape. Competition is the only thing that makes GM thrive for success. The Camaro would have never even made it to a 4th generation if it wasn't for competition.
If everybody HAD to buy a GM car because there as no other alternative, they'd all fall apart in 4 months and there'd be **** all you could do about it but either walk or go f*ck yourself.

Now GM is going "**** we're losing so much market share to the Japanese, Honda alone killed Oldsmobile, we MUST be doing something wrong!"
Competition is the only reason GM is bringing out some good products, more RWD cars, more of what the public wants, and more quality.

Is it so bad to have a non-GM opinion on this site? Poeple don't like something because it's foreign. My friend said he saw more Camaros in JAPAN then he did Honda Civics.
I'd really hate to miss out on a good car because of brand loyalty. The general is going to get a LOT stronger with competition up on its ***.

 

Dude, I didn't say any of that. Nice work butchering my post though...I appreciate it

I have no problem with competition...I do have a problem with people who unfairly praise products that don't deserve it sometimes, merely because they say Toyota on them. Your early posts on here were nothing but scathing distortions of how great Toyota reliability was, and how much GM sucked. Remember?

Same deal here. Like I said, maybe its because he defended the Ridgeline too much, and it left a bad taste in my mouth Brendan apparently noticed the same attitude as well, so I don;t think I'm necessarily alone. I even apologized for being crass before!

 

Whats weird is that it is hard to find factual evidence on the Japanese trade imbalance thing (or I am too lazy to research). The CAW now is using the trade imbalance thing in their negotiations with GM as a way to claim healthcare is not GM's real issue. Even if we did export cars to Japan, I doubt they would buy them. Their auto industry is a souce of national pride to them..much like it once was here. One other thing I read is that the Japanese government propped up thier auto industry, much like the Europeans with Airbus. I am not sure the details, but I remember being taught that in economics. Either way, if anyone can find facts on this and the issues in my posts above, I will gladly listen.