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Originally Posted by Z284ever
(Post 6369045)
2014. Parts are already being prototyped for it. As Proud Pony mentioned in the other thread, the '12 Boss Mustang will give an initial taste of the weight saving techniques in store for the next gen Mustang.
Powertrain choices will interest me as well. My guess is that a 4 cylinder Ecoboost of about 250-ish hp will be used as a base engine, with mpg in the high 30's. Maybe even hit the magic 40 mpg number! The 3.5 EB is also possible, but that may step on the toes of the V8 mafia - who knows. I'm guessing two versions of the 5.0L will make the grade. A midlevel one for the GT and a higher perf one for something else. 250hp with that kind of EXCEPTIONAL gas mileage I can definitely get behind 200 or 210hp with 33mpg....I don't see the point |
Originally Posted by Z284ever
(Post 6368170)
Okay, you guys like this line up better?
1) The Budget GT Camaro Sport Coupe: -Standard engine: turbo 2.0L Ecotec. 255 hp. -Optional engine: none -F41 performance package available. Weight: 3350 -3400 pounds (coupe) 2) The Luxury GT Camaro SS: -Standard engine: turbo 2.0L Ecotec. 315 hp. -Optional engine: Gen V 6.2L V8. 415 hp. -Various high content options available. Weight: 3450-3575 pounds. (coupe) 3) The Performance GT Camaro Z/28 -Specific engine: Gen V 6.2L V8. 465 hp. -Optional engine: None. -Specific "Special Performance Package" -Content and options limited. Weight: 3395 pounds. (coupe only) 3) The Performance GT Camaro Z/28 -Specific engine: Gen V 6.2L V8. 465 hp. I would like to see 500 out of the top of the line. Shouldn't be to hard with DI VVT -Optional engine: None. -Specific "Special Performance Package" -Content and options limited. Needs 275 front and 3xx rear width tires, and optional carbon/ceramic brakes. Weight: 3395 pounds. (coupe only) |
Originally Posted by Z284ever
(Post 6367134)
1) The Budget GT
Camaro Sport Coupe: -Standard engine: normally aspirated 2.4L Ecotec. 210 hp. -Optional engine: turbo 2.0L Ecotec. 285 hp. -F41 performance package available. Weight: 3350 -3400 pounds (coupe) 2) The Luxury GT Camaro SS: -Standard engine: turbo 2.0L Ecotec. 315 hp. -Optional engine: Gen V 6.2L V8. 415 hp. -Various high content options available. Weight: 3450-3575 pounds. (coupe) 3) The Performance GT Camaro Z/28 -Specific engine: Gen V 6.2L V8. 465 hp. -Optional engine: None. -Specific "Special Performance Package" -Content and options limited. Weight: 3395 pounds. (coupe only) I also don't mind the idea of a turbo Ecotec as the base engine, but why wait until the 6th gen to bring it out? GM could make the turbo Ecotec std in the LS, then offer the V6 in the LT. :p |
Originally Posted by teal98
(Post 6368923)
I thought the original post with a 2.4 was fine. If the car really came in at 3350 pounds, 215hp would be plenty for a base model. It'd still do a 1/4 in the 15s, though the owners would probably never do that.
I agree that some people are just looking for a stylish, good handling, reasonably quick car with good fuel economy. |
Originally Posted by Z284ever
(Post 6369890)
I'm not afraid for Camaro to have a version which is easy to live with, fun, and not blisteringly fast. Personally, I don't think that you necessarily need to knock down 13 second 1/4 mile times (or even 14's), to have a fun car and consider it a joy to drive and own. Certainly not in base form anyway. And if that also means a more attainable price, lower cost of ownership and better fuel economy - so much the better.
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Originally Posted by super83Z
(Post 6369932)
What about the Mustang? Do you think the base model will take a step back in power/acceleration like you think the Camaro will? Currently the V-6 Camaro is quite a bit slower than the V-6 Mustang, I remember quite a few agreeing that it is a problem.
I do believe that Mustang will back off horsepower wise on the next gen car. Acceleration may not be much different than it is now though, if it drops the weight it's supposed to. I don't want to give the impression that I wouldn't care about performance stats. The 2015 Z/28 vs SVT Boss shootout had better give me goosebumps. But we also need to be cognisant of what might appeal to a consumer not concerned with the fastest lap of Nurburgring. |
Originally Posted by rlchv70
(Post 6367853)
My version:
1) Budget Camaro Sport Coupe: -One engine: normally aspirated 2.4L Ecotec. 210 hp. Weight: 3300 pounds (coupe) Price: Price leader starting at $20k (today's dollars) 2) High volume for CAFE Camaro Sport Coupe: -One engine: turbo 2.0L Ecotec. 300+ hp. -F41 performance package available. -Various high content features optional. Weight: 3350 -3450 pounds (coupe) Price: Value pricing for max volume $23k-$30k 2) Luxury Camaro SS: -One engine: Gen V 6.2L V8. 415 hp. -Various high content features standard. Weight: 3450-3575 pounds. (coupe) Price: Higher based on content and demand for V8: $32-40k. 3) Performance Camaro Z/28 -One engine: Gen V 6.2L V8. 465 hp. -Specific "Special Performance Package" - includes light weight components hood, trunk, suspension, structural members. -Various high content features optional. Weight: 3395-3575 pounds. (coupe) Price: $32k (stripper) - 45k (fully loaded). |
I'm against an NA 4 cylinder as well. And I bet if they brought it out that engine would be soon eliminated from the lineup. Besides, it would seem that GM is trying to go the way of the turbo as far as getting performance out of small displacement engines... eg the motors in the Aveo. Besides, the direct injected 2.4L Ecotec only makes 182HP. It would need a bit of help to get over 200HP.
Or let's say you took the 240HP motor out of an S2000 and put it in the 6th gen. It would be sort of sluggish to drive around town due to the lack of torque and the extra quarter ton of weight compared to the little roadster. Start with a turbo 4 cylinder and you might be on to something because you could probably get decent fuel economy and also respectable performance. |
The only way I could see a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder in a Camaro is if a Hybrid package becomes available.
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Where's the V6 option? No offense but as we stand today, I'm actually leaning toward a V6 RS. 312hp is enough for me, plus great fuel mileage. Plus if we're going to shrink the size and mass, is a V8 even necessary for anything other than the top model?
I also don't mind the idea of a turbo Ecotec as the base engine, but why wait until the 6th gen to bring it out? GM could make the turbo Ecotec std in the LS, then offer the V6 in the LT. I'd certainly like to see these engine options on another nameplate... because such radical proposals for a famous V8 coupe will eventually kill it, not enhance it. Just my humble opinion. |
Okay here's my suggested line up.
Camaro LS - budget sport coupe. Engines: 2.4L Ecotec Turbo (280hp) or a 3.0L Dohc V6(270 hp) Curb Weight: about 3300-3350lbs Price: starting at about 20-22K Camaro RS - Rally Sport Engine: 3.6L LLT V6 (325-350 hp) Curb Weight: about 3,400-3460 lbs. Price: Starting at about 25-27K Note: turbo I4 or V6 models may also have a hybrid system to help increase fuel economy. Camaro SS - performance model Engine: 4.8L DOHC V8(400-415 hp) or a 5.0L V8 (425-435 hp) Curb Weight: 3,550-3,600 lbs Price: Starting at 30-33K Camaro Z28 - high end Performance model Engines: either a 5.4L V8 (475hp) or a Supercharged 4.8/5.0L (540-560hp) Curb Weight: 3,650lbs (N/A) to 3,700lbs (Supercharged) Price: Starting at 38-40K (N/A) or 42-45K (Supercharged) |
Originally Posted by krj-1168
(Post 6370463)
Okay here's my suggested line up.
Camaro LS - budget sport coupe. Engines: 2.4L Ecotec Turbo (280hp) or a 3.0L Dohc V6(270 hp) Curb Weight: about 3300-3350lbs Price: starting at about 20-22K Camaro RS - Rally Sport Engine: 3.6L LLT V6 (325-350 hp) Curb Weight: about 3,400-3460 lbs. Price: Starting at about 25-27K Note: turbo I4 or V6 models may also have a hybrid system to help increase fuel economy. Camaro SS - performance model Engine: 4.8L DOHC V8(400-415 hp) or a 5.0L V8 (425-435 hp) Curb Weight: 3,550-3,600 lbs Price: Starting at 30-33K Camaro Z28 - high end Performance model Engines: either a 5.4L V8 (475hp) or a Supercharged 4.8/5.0L (540-560hp) Curb Weight: 3,650lbs (N/A) to 3,700lbs (Supercharged) Price: Starting at 38-40K (N/A) or 42-45K (Supercharged) |
Originally Posted by AdioSS
(Post 6370178)
The only way I could see a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder in a Camaro is if a Hybrid package becomes available.
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
(Post 6370148)
Or let's say you took the 240HP motor out of an S2000 and put it in the 6th gen. It would be sort of sluggish to drive around town due to the lack of torque and the extra quarter ton of weight compared to the little roadster.
Whatever the final choice would be, it would require a low end torque bias and superior fuel economy.
Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
(Post 6370148)
Besides, the direct injected 2.4L Ecotec only makes 182HP. It would need a bit of help to get over 200HP. |
Originally Posted by Z284ever
(Post 6370621)
Oh yeah, I'd say the last thing a 6th gen needs is a peaky S2000 style motor on the base car. Just imagine Jenny the receptionist kissing 8,000 rpm over and over again on her morning commute. Se'd probably think she broke something. :lol:
Whatever the final choice would be, it would require a low end torque bias and superior fuel economy. I know. I was factoring in some progress with my 210 hp assumption. :D |
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