...oh, and of course, the horsepower on the Z/28 motor should be under rated.

 

No one has ever explained to me how the Z28 went from the low displacement high revving good handling Trans-Am car to the big block king of the road stoplight racer.

I always see all this stuff about how the Z28 needs to be the top model again and whatnot and whathaveyou...and I don't understand why, the ideas people keep having for the Z28 aren't really similar to what the Z28 originally was.

It wasn't really the "top" model in it's day, unless you mean top handling or something.

a 275hp 302 doesn't exactly compete with a 427BB at being the "top model"

But anywho.

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Jason

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<A HREF="http://www.iz-us.com/images/cars/cougar/" TARGET=_blank>New Project: 1969 Mercury Cougar 351W
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MunchE, I think I replied to you in a similar question, in a different thread recently.

 

You haven't?? And Me and Z284 have said it so many times, you can do a search.

 

I still don’t see why a 5.0L LS1 cant be produced as a mid motor. I know it can be done, I saw one at the Camaro legends tour in a 4th gen SS touring Camaro here in Texas. Can anyone tell me why a destroked 346ci LS1 to a 302ci LS1 wouldn’t work for a mid engine in the 5th gen? This would be a perfect motor for it use. It would get interest from younger enthusiasts by being a V8 and somewhat cheaper, but probably only producing about 275+hp it wouldn’t scare anyone away that just wants a sporty daily driver. I don’t see any problems, the crash testing for the LS block would already be done. I really cant see $$$ the being to much more. If enough are produced the profits has to even out with the cost put in to build/design the motor. Shouldn’t the design be basically ready anyway? Wouldn’t it basically only be a crank and rods change? I defiantly vote this for the 5th gen RS motor!

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Stefan

1995 3.4L Camaro, Mystic Metallic Green, M5, 3.23’s, T-tops, every option except the V8

Ignore the future mods on my site, my plans have changed.
See my car here:
http://members.tripod.com/stars101010/

Best time: 10.7 @ 63mph in the 1/8 mile

 

Exactly.

 

Why build a 275hp 5.0...when you already have a 285hp 4.8?

 

Nostalgia?? Is the 4.8 an LS1 block too? If not then maybe their point would be consistency(LS6, LS1, LS(5.0)). But if it is then just forget it, I agree with you.

And, uh, the old Z28 wasn't really 275hp I think anything short of an L88 or ZL1 woulda been left behind.

Alex

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1997 30th Anniversary Z28
M6, ttop, FIPK, custom stainless TB plate and radiator shroud, Hooker cut out, Hurst, Lou's, free mods
CFFB #049
13.83@101.4 on a 2.1 60'

If you only knew how much I didn't care...

 

Actually, I think the 4.8 (yes, it's a gen III smallblock alright), would have made a perfect intermediate V8 option.

 

Well actually, the LS1 5.0 I saw was making about 350+hp. It was fully race prepped. I was just thinking that a toned down design of that motor would work great. Remember that the point of this mid motor is to be a V8, but not be too powerful. We need the 346 LS1 and LS6 to make the real power. BTW anyone heard anything about an LS2? That guy who saw the C6 vette mule saw an LS2 badge or something on it. hmmmm?

 

Throw my vote in with yours Z, I forgot all about that engine. I think it may be a bit too powerful as a mid engine, but with a single instead of dual exhaust would do it.

Stars, the 5.0 you mentioned was an engine designed as a nod to Z28's original 5.0 V8 (it's race class was limited to 5 liters).

On the new Mustang, Ford strategy seems to be to design out some power, then offer parts through SVO to put it back, or at the very least, make it simple to increase power through simple add-ons (ie: the SC Cobra's pulley). Something like that could be done with the 4.8, turning it into a pretty popular engine with do it yourselfers, which the youth crowd definately are.

 

Yes, in fact on one of the Mustang forums...someone from Team Mustang in-as-much came out and said it.

The strategy is to "cork" up air intakes and exhausts, so that the back yard hotrodder can see BIG gains with little effort.

 

You know Guion....that's a great idea! Maybe even use the iron truck block...if that would make it more affordable. Get some sort of suspension package and call it RS.

"Borrow" Ford's concepts for do it yourself hotrodders....and maybe you've created a classic.

.....oh,...never mind....I forgot, there is not enough money to make the next Camaro popular.

 

Help me....I can't stop.....

An iron block 4.8, six speed, in a 5th gen Camaro for around $26,500 (which will look like chump change in 2007).

Easily hotroddable....the 4.8's bore/stroke ratio gives it the best emissions/mileage performance of the series...thereby possibly helping Camaro with the Feds.


Bracket it by the 230hp V6 coupe below and the 380+ hp Z/28 above...what a line-up.

PS....let's just drop the SS from the Camaro line-up...it's already created too much confusion, heartache, BS and disinformative propoganda in it's current iteration. (just MHO).

 

Wonder what the SSOA (Super Sport Owners' Association) would have to say about their "confusion, heartache", etc.

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Mark

94 Z28, Red, A4, 3:23
Lone Mods--LPE CAI, !Lapeer Dragway.
(Hey, I'm a college boy I can't afford gobs of bolt-ons!)

Best time: 14.658 @ 95.1
with SES light on and Driver off! (First and only time at track)

The F-body will NEVER die.