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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 12:57 PM
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I can definately see a place for a high performance six cylinder package on a future Camaro, I'd bet it would be popular...but cars like Z/28 must do it with V8 power.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
Should the next Camaro also be a lightweight 6 cylinder (OHV not OHC) if performance equals or betters the current LS1 Z28?
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Like Darth said, on a Z28 model? Nope. Even if the performance is superb, a six cylinder in the top model does not reflect the tradition/heritage of the car. Plus, you'd be alienating your biggest group of buyers, the 40 and up crowd who definitely would not accept a V6-only Camaro.

Thankfully, I highly doubt that V6-only power is being considered for the 5th Gen.



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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 03:11 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
a six cylinder in the top model does not reflect the tradition/heritage of the car. Plus, you'd be alienating your biggest group of buyers, the 40 and up crowd who definitely would not accept a V6-only Camaro.
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I just hope tradition doesn't get in the way and kill this car off. A turbo six might alientate the 40 and up crowd, but right now that crowd isn't big enough to make a business case for the camaro. Maybe a new name is what Chevy needs, but I would love to see a turbo six performance car from chevy. I bet a lot of other people would too.
Old Jul 18, 2002 | 03:43 PM
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Since we are in lala land, how about if GM gave the options of getting a high revving V8 or a lowend tqbeast V8 or a combination of the two.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ken S:
Since we are in lala land, how about if GM gave the options of getting a high revving V8 or a lowend tqbeast V8 or a combination of the two.

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...and/or the option of the aforementioned turbo V6 so as to not alienate that crowd.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by slt:
I just hope tradition doesn't get in the way and kill this car off. A turbo six might alientate the 40 and up crowd, but right now that crowd isn't big enough to make a business case for the camaro. Maybe a new name is what Chevy needs, but I would love to see a turbo six performance car from chevy. I bet a lot of other people would too. </font>
IMO, the business case for a turbo V6 Z28 is much less than a traditional setup. As I've said before, if GM wants to try their hand at an import-fighting turbo 6, go right ahead. Just DON'T slap a Camaro badge on it. It would be disasterous...old-school traditionalists won't buy it and the import crowd wouldn't accept it with that name. Why are we trying to re-invent the wheel? Let the Camaro stay what it always has been...a ground pounding V8 pony car.



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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 05:46 PM
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what about a limited production turbo I6 camaro? 1000 units, 395HP, same price as an SS (SS = 400HP V8).
Old Jul 18, 2002 | 06:45 PM
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V6 is for base models. V8 is for musclecars.

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Old Jul 18, 2002 | 09:50 PM
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I sure wouldn't want a V6 to replace a V8. But, there is no reason that a V6 car couldn't be cool.

There was some talk for a while that John Heinressy wanted a 1LE package with the V6/5-speed combo on the 4th gen. Now that would have been pretty neat.
Old Jul 18, 2002 | 11:28 PM
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Screw those imports, if anyone wants to reply about my question in the forced induction forum ill love to play in traffic with that new supra or the DEW98 Stang. The 15 lb bottle is ready all i need is the twin turbo setup cuz Ill be damned if I lose to anything not GM made.



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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 02:57 AM
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I think the Camaro should stick with the V8's and let Buick have a RWD Turbo V6 car .

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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 12:41 PM
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Well funny, the Mustang seems to be doing fine with the V8.....V6 as the top model in a Camaro??? That should NEVER happen. Let them come out with a turbo V6 in another car but don't call it Camaro. If that means the Camaro won't be able to come back, so be it. Let it rest in peace.

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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 04:33 PM
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What about this possibility. In the late 80's TransAm had an anniversairy model that had Buick's Turbo V6 with intercooler which was actually faster than that year's Camaro Z28 (and was on par with Corvette in a straight line race, if memory's correct).

If Pontiac repeated history & developed it's own 5th gen once Chevrolet did all the work, should Pontiac go with a turbo (or even supercharged) V6 while Chevrolet went with a LS2 derived V8 even if there was a chance the Pontiac would be faster than Z28?

(Note: there is a history of this. Throughout the 1970s the TransAm out accelerated Z28 every year(except 75 & 76...no Z28), as did the forementioned Turbo Anniversairy TransAm.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
If Pontiac repeated history & developed it's own 5th gen once Chevrolet did all the work, should Pontiac go with a turbo (or even supercharged) V6 while Chevrolet went with a LS2 derived V8 even if there was a chance the Pontiac would be faster than Z28?
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So it would be called Firebird/Trans Am? I think the Pontiac guys would have the same problem that I have with a turbo-6 Z28. Better to call it something else. JMO.

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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 05:50 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
So it would be called Firebird/Trans Am? I think the Pontiac guys would have the same problem that I have with a turbo-6 Z28. Better to call it something else. JMO.
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"Turbo Trans/Am" was used in the late 70's/early 80's.

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