I'm with Doug. I'd love to see a 5th gen Z/28 run and win with this pack. Actually throw in Cobra Mustang and Supra...for more cannon fodder.

 

you are corect $32,000 to 34,000 but with the dealer mark up of, market value ajustment of $5,000.Some people got the shaft and the car got overpriced. dealers killed the camaro and T/A.

 

That was before dealer mark-up.

 

A $37K Camaro doesn't even begin to make sense. The competition in that segment is fierce, and there is a big gaping hole for a RWD V8 car in the $20-30K range.

Besides, anyone can make an expensive car good. It's a lot more impressive when you beat the snot out of your real competion and cost far less (reference Z06 - comparable to cars costing twice as much).

 

Most definetly, but by later 06 who knows?? That might be cheap.

 

"In fact, I can't think of anyone that I know that spent less than low30's for a 2000 and up SS."

2001 M6 SS, every GM option 'cept convertible.

$26,800

 

You didn't get any SLP options?

 

I sincerely WISH people would stop repeating this myth. The 4gen structure was RADICALLY DIFFERENT and IMPROVED over that of the 3gen. Allow me to quote the engineers who actually worked on the 4gen design (source: Road & Track Guide to the 1993 Firebird):

Structural innovations new to the Camaro with the 4gen included RIM composite fascia and fenders and SMC roof, doors and hatch/spoiler.

The results: the 1993 Fbody was 20 % stiffer than the 1992. This included an improvement to 23 Hz bending (vs 18 before) and 20 Hz torsion (vs 16 before).

 

Fair enough... perhaps I should reword it thusly:

"The end of the F-Platform is a good thing from this standpoint. It's time to move away from a creaky base structure that's basis is over 20 years old and notorious for providing gobs of flex."

 

Darth - I appreciate your response. However it is still incorrect. If you were ONLY speaking of the rear suspension I would agree with you. But virtually EVERYTHING else key to the 4gen's structure was new. Gads, how can you ignore the completely new rack steering? The all-new front suspension? The composite body panels and the implications in the underlying supporting structure? Sorry, I see no factual basis for your statement, either the original or the revised version.

 

NOW THATS A ROAD TEST!!

btw, Ive been more and more worried that everyone expecting the 5th gen to maul the Cobra will be disappointed. With GM keeping a nice buffer zone between the vette and f-car, and Ford pushing the Cobra to vette levels of performance, I dont see it happening. The only way the 5th gen is going to be a better performer than the cobra is if the Vette gets a substantial wakeup and beats the crap out of the Cobra in all catagories...

Which I dont think Coletti is going to let happen. I think Ford will continue to chase the vette with its Cobra, and if you want to take one down, youd better not buy a Camaro.

 

Unfortunately even owners of 4th gens believe their car is a wet noodle. To put F-body rigidity into context: C4: 5 Hz, C5 targa: 22 Hz, C5 hardtop: 24 Hz, CTS/BMW sedans: 26 Hz. But 4th gens are flex boats? The numbers don't lie.

The likely cause of misconceptions. Poor interior build quality and design leads to rattles but is incorrectly attributed to chassis flex. Lack of SFCs from the manufacturing line allows the chassis to degrade over time (at least this happened to my 3rd gens). T-top models do flex more than hardtops (I've never driven a 4th gen hardtop but the difference between my 3rd gens is noticeable for torsional rigidity). Solid rear axle means the chassis absorbs lots of impact that would be pushed aside by a independent rear where the left/right side are decoupled.

 

I can definitely feel a difference in rigidity between a 4th gen and 3rd gen.

Although the 4th gen is not what I'd consider world class....it feels far more rigid than a 3rd gen.

Sometimes when I jack up my 3rd gen to work on it.....I almost hold my breathe...hoping this isn't going to be the time that the car snaps in half.

 

It'll be fine.

We all need SFC's, from the 1st Gen to the 4th Gen, solve it and stop complaining.

 

Speak for yourself. (Are you an owner?). Never in my four years of owning and enjoying a 4gen did I believe that. Both my Firebirds were rock-solid and rattle-free. As for comparing with $42k Vettes and $47k BMW lawyer-mobiles, sure, the expensive cars are stiffer (and in the case of the BMW, about twice the price). So what?

Nope. The likely cause of misconceptions: owners driving the car as hard and fast as its phenomenal LS1 V8 can propel it, with no regard for safety or road conditions. Poor interior build quality - my foot. The interior is rock-solid. Often the source of rattles is owners themselves, such as when they open up interior panels to twiddle with stereo components and then never get around to re-installing all the fasteners. One time my 99 Formula developed a bad clunk/rattle in the rear trunk well. I took a look - Shazam! I had failed to cinch down the spare and its jack!