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Old Nov 14, 2008 | 12:44 PM
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The real question is should GM's next small truck be Delta II or Theta based?
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fwd?
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Yup and with optional AWD. If gas prices are higher and people don't need it to tow a huge boat or anything then even FWD should be fine. Think about what Ridgeline buyers do with their trucks For those that need more there is still the Silverado.
The next Ford Explorer will be FWD based with AWD optional.

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Old Nov 14, 2008 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
The next Ford Explorer will be FWD based with AWD optional.
Do you know if there will be a Sport Trac?
Old Nov 14, 2008 | 12:58 PM
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Not a truck.
It's ugly and not very practical, but it's a truck by every definition I can think of. Body on frame, RWD layout, with a bed...
Old Nov 14, 2008 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
People who actually need to buy trucks are buying trucks. Those who were simply buying them as status symbols and nothing more are in fact the reason why truck purchases are down between 25 and 45% overall compared with a year ago.

Mid sized trucks lost their luster even before then. People who want smal trucks by smaller trucks. Mid size truck buyers simply spring for large trucks because of both capacity and price... more capacity with little difference in price.
Guy, you are a passionate fellow when it comes to vehicles.

Trucks and SUV's don't wind my personal "watch".

I do believe that folks should be able to buy what they want in a vehicle.

Cars that really scoot when the go pedal is pressed have a lot to do with the existance of the very site we post on.

There's at least as much logic against such vehicles that have capabilities to tow more than will ever actually be tested, or go offroad where they will never venture, as those vehicles which have some passionate followers who feel that 1/4 mile or top speed times will actually matter in day to day ownership.

The glass house axiom and the warning against throwing stones does apply.

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Old Nov 14, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM

Mid sized trucks lost their luster even before then. People who want smal trucks by smaller trucks. Mid size truck buyers simply spring for large trucks because of both capacity and price... more capacity with little difference in price.

There was no mid-size trucks to begin with, and it baffles me. I sprung for a fullsize because the Dakota is butt ugly, and I'm a Gm guy. As before, the Colorado is dated, and given the choice between that and a big truck at a very close price....
I needed something that could fit an ATV in the back, or tow ~2K pound trailer. Sure a Colorado could do it, but it aint gonna be fun.

A nicely done midsize, with comfy seats (back ones too, I'm taking to you Colorado/Canyon), a nicely done interior like the new big trucks, and some engine options, I think would sell nicely. I even liked the styling of the Trailblazer, just lop off the back behind the front seats and give me a bed, no other changes neccesary.
Old Nov 15, 2008 | 02:25 AM
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just imagine a Trailblazer SS-based truck... That would be awesome. AWD or RWD with the ability to tow ~3-tons. My Silverado is a great truck. It has done everything that I have asked from it. However, it is a bit too much for my needs. It is only a half-ton with the 5.3L. A TB truck sized version would probably weigh 400-600 pounds less, get a little better fuel economy, and it would definitely be a lot easier to park while offering 90% of the capability of my truck.
Old Nov 15, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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It is only a half-ton with the 5.3L. A TB truck sized version would probably weigh 400-600 pounds less, get a little better fuel economy, and it would definitely be a lot easier to park while offering 90% of the capability of my truck.
Colorado Crew Cab 5.3L = 14/19mpg
Silverado Crew Cab 5.3L = 14/20mpg

I've owned both and parking was one reason I got the Colorado. It is only about 1 foot shorter and is no easier to park. Back seats block a lot of visibility in the Colorado.

The truck market is shrinking, so all GM really needs is full size trucks and assuming the market goes back to what it was in the 80's maybe the Avalanche should move over to Theta or Lambda. A cheap HHR/DeltaII based small truck would be cool too.
Old Nov 16, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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How about looking at width?
GMT900 -79.9
GMT800 - 78.5
Trailblazer - 74.7
Colorado - 67.6

A foot in width makes a HUGE difference in parking. It also makes a huge difference in how cramped the interior feels.

In 06 when I was in the market for a truck, I test drove several with my wife. The Colorado felt pretty tight. My sister's Trailblazer was fine. And the Silverado felt huge. I needed a truck and wanted a V8, so I had to step up to the Silverado.
Old Nov 16, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Colorado Crew Cab 5.3L = 14/19mpg
Silverado Crew Cab 5.3L = 14/20mpg
According to http://www.chevrolet.com/m/06/quickf...9_Colorado.pdf
The RWD V8 Colorado gets 15/21, while the 4WD gets 14/19. It didn't specify crew or ext cab. The RWD V8 gets either 3.42 gears and 27.25" tires or 3.73 gears and 30" tires. Either way, that's 2200RPM@75MPH. The 4WD can get 4.10 gears with 30" tires meaning 75MPH comes at just under 2400RPM.

The Silverado can get 3.23 gears with 31.6" tires putting 75mph@1800RPM. Or you could step up to the XFE that gets 3.08 gears, 30.5" tires & the 6L80E so it can go 75mph@1700RPM.

500-700RPM@75MPH can definitely make a difference in highway mileage.
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