Hello

A lot of people were talking about how small the interior of a 4th gen Camaro is when compared to how big the body is, which I think is a load of crap.

1) The 4th gen is substantially smaller than a mid-size SUV, just as a Fiero is a lot smaller than a 4th gen.
2) The Mustang could use a few more inches to even out some of the high slung/high raked features it has, that would actually make it look much more desirable to me. IMO.
3) No, a 4th gen Camaro is just fine.

Why are you comparing it to a Ford Taurus? And actually as I'm looking it up on google, it appears to only be ONE inche longer than a Ford Taurus of the same year.

I wonder how many people turned down a 4th gen Camaro because of the size of the doors? If they cared so much about that, they probably shouldn't be looking for a coupe in the first place.

The Mustang is a nice size to you. Not everyone is lining up a new Camaro and Mustang side by side when they go car shopping to see which is longer, wider, and heavier before they make their decisions on which to buy. They go by how they feel when they drive, cost, comfort (which the Camaro was definately no winner), power, quality, and other little things) Not that I need to tell you guys that....

Its great that you think the Mustang is perfect, but thats why we have 'variety' in the car world. I certainly don't want my Camaro looking like its rivalling car. If everything on the road looked the same, there wouldn't be much point in competition would there?

 

You do realize that the Camaro was classified by the EPA as a Subcompact , same as a Geo Metro, right? Even if it was 1" different from the Taurus - the Taurus is a Mid Size Car!

Try driving one in an urban environment. When I had a camaro and was living near DC, there were times I could hardly get out of the thing due to the narrow parking spaces. Even if I could get the door open ~8", it didn't matter because the doors were ~7" thick. Never had the same problems in any other coupe I've ever owned.

Right, but unless you are probing the handling limits (which were very high), Camaro's tended to feel like a boat. Big, heavy and not exactly nimble - especially at low speeds (say, in a parking lot). This is not the feel I'd want. I'd want a 5th Gen camaro to be more sports car and less Impala SS.

I also would prefer a compact in a compact body instead of a subcompact in a midsize body.

 

I'd also like to see the car no smaller than a 1st Gen and no bigger than a Third.

 

With all this bitching about the doors being too thick, heavy, long, etc., could the F5 have a snowball's chance in hell of having a more exotic setup? How about scissor-doors? I know it's a bit of a stretch, but it would solve a couple of problems associated with the car, and give it something that no other American cars have. Sort of a gotta-have feature. Plus it would be something that could set it apart from everything else on the road and make it more recognizeable.

 

Maybe instead of telling the people who like the size of the last Camaros to "go buy an SUV" , you should be telling yourself "go buy a Miata???"

 

Miata is a neat car...but I'd rather have a Camaro that wasn't as long as an SUV.

 

I agree. Like I said the less weight and small size = fast. 400 hp+3000lbs = 12's. I know it'll weigh at least 3400lbs but I can only pray.

 

About the same size of the 1st gen with a weight close to 3200-3300 lbs

 

3000 lbs? C'mon. The Corvette, which is on the small side already, weighs more than that, even with it's lightweight materials.

Sounds like you guys want a sport compact car.

The Camaro is a muscle car, not a zippy little sports car like a Porsche or BMW. Muscle cars are big. Take a look at the Dodge Chargers, the Chevelles, and the Road Runners. Maybe you should tell someone that drives those cars they would be better suited in an SUV.

Oh, and SUV's are pretty worthless anyways. That's why I have a truck.

 

Like I said before fox mustang not toyota celica. If you want a charger, chevelle or road runner I think you should look at a GTO.

 

WHAT!?

 

Times have changed, yet Camaro has stayed the same. Back in the 1970s, Camaro would be considered a "compact", but today cars are smaller, while Camaro has stayed the same (and even grew somewhat! ) over the years. Today, Camaro simply does not fit into the same market it once fitted. It's nearly as long and wide as an Impala and the competitor that's closest in size today is almost a whole foot shorter!

But there are some surprizes in comparing 2 like cars like the Mach1 Mustang and the larger Camaro Z28:

Length 183.2 193.5
Width 73.1 74.1
Wheelbase 101.3 101.1
Height 53.1 51.2
Weight 3466 3439

Legroom f/r 42.6 / 29.9 43.0/26.8
Headroom f/r 38.0/35.8 37.2/35.2
Hiproom f/r 52.3 / 47.4 53.5/49.5
Shoulderroom f/r 53.6 / 52.1 57.4/55.8
Trunk Space 10.9 12.9 (seat up)

Lessons:
1. Camaro Z28 is actually light for it's size & construction (anyone who's looked at a Mustang structure & Camaro's knows exactly what I mean).

2. A vehicle's actual size has little to do with it's weight (it's the weight of what's attached to the chassis).

3. If you want a 3000 pound V8 powered Camaro, you're dreaming... that is unless you are ready to dish out alot of money for alumunum & titanium or else be ready to accept a supercharged 4 cylinder Z28 Camaro (Cavalier Z24 coupe weighed 2900 pounds & an SVT Focus weighs 2700).

Pentatonic is right on this.

The next Camaro needs to get rid of it's excessive overhangs (Camaro is 3" longer than a Cadillac CTS, but Camaro's wheelbase is 3" shorter than a Ford Focus!), but GTO & Mustang is probally the size where Camaro needs to be.

The Solstice is the car for those that want something smaller (though as wide as the 4th gen Camaro)& lighter (Sosltice with a 4 cylinder & supercharger will weigh in around 3,000 pounds).

 

And SUV's can be pretty neat vehicles too.... but I'd rather have a Camaro that wasn't as tiny as a Miata.


See, there are always more than one side to these coins.

 

A 3000 pound Camaro is what I'd like to see. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Of course not. I know it will be at least what it weighed (3300-3500). But most of the arguments i've read on this post are silly, example: the Camaro is supposed to be a "muscle car" and it should be heavy. Last time I checked it was a "pony car", which IMO is a light and nimble car. The Camaro doesn't have to be small. BTW this is to anyone that thinks the Corvette is a small car it isn't, it's actually pretty big for it's weight.

 

Onw thing also to note...GM packs alot more structure into its cars than Ford and other makers....This goes back to Guion's post about how the Mustang's chassis looks wimpy compared to the F-body.