They don't have to be tall. It's just that the Bel Air looks tall. BTW, the original A-bodies, including the GTO were full framed cars, they don't look too tall.

And has anyone actually noticed how high the cowl is on the Camaro concept?! You can visually hide alot with large wheels and large wheel openings.

 

GTO was constantly under pressure to compete with the cheaper Road Runner. That was the whole deal with developing the GTO Judge. A cheaper GTO...although in actual terms it never turned out that way.



It's fair only in terms of price. People coughed up the extra cash for the extra bling, because the base V8 was completely devoid of any appeal whatsoever. If they were appealing...they would have sold...the low price would have made them even more popular.

And getting back to this price/horsepower relationship...

The point is, Pontiac could profitably market a 355 based, 400 hp car for $25,500. The question is would they do it, if the perception was that consumers would expect to pay more for that kind of power. That's a seperate question, I guess.

 

Proof that 355 can have a good stance..



http://www.coloradofans.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=10521


http://www.coloradofans.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=5539

http://www.coloradofans.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=4929

http://www.coloradofans.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=3974

 

I dunno....

Not my taste...I know that for sure. OTH I would not buy a Colorado either.

 

Most younger buyers don't have much of a choice. They go fwd or they don't buy anything. The 240SXs out there still have alot of appeal with younger buyers. I see young dudes in them all of the time, and I went to school with a bunch of them

This I do agree with. I don't think a car based off of a Colorado is a good way to go about getting volume sales.

 

I probably wouldn't buy a Colorado either, just wanted to show that something on GMT355 doesn't have to sit up high like an Amphicar.

 

Wups, my bad. I was picture trailblazers, etc. (gmt360s instead of 355's) I remember the 355's being compared to ponycars now. That makes it more reasonable.

About the price - its not that i dont think it can be done for that price - im sure it probably can be done. It just doesnt seem like it would make a good case. I think itd fit better if it had more standard features and high quality parts but cost maybe 22k.

 

what about take this concept and make an el camino? I'd say that would be the best way to pull it off. A lot of people would love to see an el camino come back. This way it could be done easily, cheapily, and it would still be truck so people wouldnt compare it to cars as much say if it were a convertible. give it a v6 or I5 and a v8 and call it a day.

 

But why do that when we have the badass Ute across the pond?

I've never seen anyone say bringing the Ute over is a bad idea.

 

I believe the point is getting a line of RWD cars out that are as cheap as possible. If we wanted to hit $22K we might as well just develop it off of Kappa.

Any of the dumbasses who say teens and younger people aren't interested in rwd cars are morons. The newest import craze is drifting, which is based solely on RWD cars. 240sx's, AE86's, RX-7's, etc, are being bought up for crazy amounts of dough just because they are RWD and easy to drift.

 

"Might as well just develop it off of Kappa"? Please read post number one in this thread.


Personally, I think it would be a bad idea. Or at least not the best product to import from Holden.

 

What if all Utes are built here to make up for lower volume in a certain Delaware plant? Then they could be exported to Australia and allow them to concentrate on sedan volume, maybe even for export to the US. This would also keep the UAW happy since vehicles are being built here to offset the imported vehicles.

 

Well, if we're talking the VZ Ute, it still has the same frontal impact issues of the current GTO. The VE Ute is not...I believe...developed yet.

Anyway, I don't think too many people are looking for a 2 seat, unibody car, with a pick up bed. You can't tow much. You can't haul much. What you have is a low volume boutique product.

Show of hands at this (non-representative of the general public) enthusiast site.

How many would pay....
$30K for one?
How about $27K?
How about $25K?
How about $23K?

But THIS would be an ideal product to build off of GMT355! Better yet a wagon.

 

Think of it as an SSR replacement but with more agility and less heft.

 

The V8 Camaro may have a base price around 25-26K, because the V8 is the 5.3L, not the LS2.

The LS2 Camaro would have a base price around 30K.

A new LS2 GTO could be made and produced with a 30K base price, if(a very big if) GM & Pontiac were to build it in North America, instead of Australia.

But that likely will not happen.