Horsepower (and the weight that comes with it) has gotten crazy
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Actually, it seems that there are alot more oats in the 5.0. The SVT Boss version will pick up about 10% more power with a freer flowing air intake, exhaust, and computer retune. We haven't even scratched the surface of direct injection yet.
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Currently, the guess is over 450hp, and possibly closer to 470hp. It depends on the final tune.
The GT500 IS getting an upgrade also. Besides losing a bunch of weight, it will gain power, and traction.
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That sounds right. Do you have a link?
That would put a manual coupe with Brembo's and perhaps wider wheels/tires (not sure of Track Pack will have them or if they will be optional) around 3650lbs. A solid 200+lbs. lighter than the Camaro, which is right around the weight difference estimate of the Camaro IRS vs. SRA so that makes sense.
Good job Ford. This is a car I would consider owning and that engine is just GORGEOUS!
That would put a manual coupe with Brembo's and perhaps wider wheels/tires (not sure of Track Pack will have them or if they will be optional) around 3650lbs. A solid 200+lbs. lighter than the Camaro, which is right around the weight difference estimate of the Camaro IRS vs. SRA so that makes sense.
Good job Ford. This is a car I would consider owning and that engine is just GORGEOUS!
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That was the mule, Ford has since changed to a plastic intake and cam covers. although that black surround outside the intake runners does hide some ugly. The cam covers favor the pieces found on the 5.4 S/C with thier coil covers (black crinkle with grey coil covers that say "Powered By SVT" in that case_
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I wonder if Ford is switching out the current S/C for the TVS? IIRC the TVS for the 2011 GT500 pounds out 640 h.... holy $*&@, nevermind just checked its 750hp (for the big kit, 660 for the standard TVS upgrade)
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They better run wider than 265 tires out back. The 285's it has now aren't enough. I think it needs 295's at a minimum. In reality, Ford's flagship $50k car should have some real steam rollers back there. 305's wouldn't be unreasonable to me.
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Not less then, but around 3650lbs. with a solid rear axle. This is supported by the weight measurements done of the components by one of the members on this board. The Camaro IRS is heavier than that of the 03/04 Cobra based on those measurements.
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Okay. But it wouldn't be that much. I remember that included things like the subframe, heavier brakes, etc.
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The V6 does not weigh 3750lbs, and the GT does not weigh 4000lbs.
You have to listen to what is said, not what is written as an estimate in a PDF file.
The weight of all of the Mustangs, will be very similar to the 2010's, with the exception of the GT500, which gets a large weight decrease.
You have to listen to what is said, not what is written as an estimate in a PDF file.
The weight of all of the Mustangs, will be very similar to the 2010's, with the exception of the GT500, which gets a large weight decrease.
The good thing is, they've been corrected -- perhaps because of this thread?
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I wonder if some of these erroneous weight numbers start showing up as rumors because people misinterpret the EPA fuel economy and emissions weight classes (potentially including employees of the OEMs themselves).
When cars are tested for emissions and fuel economy, they are put into weight classes. I believe these classes are not simply the curb weight of the car. I think they include a passenger or two and / or some nominal load. So a 4600 lb crossover might test in the 5000 lb weight class. Perhaps the Mustang V6 is to be tested in the 3750 lb class, and the heavier GT will be in the 4000 lb class, or something like that.
It has been years since I've been around any of that stuff (I transferred from the Milford Proving Grounds 4.5 years ago), so I don't recall the specifics. Just speculating a bit as to why we see such numbers paraded around.
There is no way the new GT somehow leapfrogged the GT500 to 4000 lbs in weight, when the GT500 is in the 3900 lb range.
When cars are tested for emissions and fuel economy, they are put into weight classes. I believe these classes are not simply the curb weight of the car. I think they include a passenger or two and / or some nominal load. So a 4600 lb crossover might test in the 5000 lb weight class. Perhaps the Mustang V6 is to be tested in the 3750 lb class, and the heavier GT will be in the 4000 lb class, or something like that.
It has been years since I've been around any of that stuff (I transferred from the Milford Proving Grounds 4.5 years ago), so I don't recall the specifics. Just speculating a bit as to why we see such numbers paraded around.
There is no way the new GT somehow leapfrogged the GT500 to 4000 lbs in weight, when the GT500 is in the 3900 lb range.
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I don't think 412Hp and 390 ft/lb is lowballed for the 5.0L. To me thats quite a bit of power from 302 ci. I think Ford did all they could to squeeze every last HP from the 5 point Oh. 11 to 1 compression and going electric for steering while making the GT join the premium fuel competitors says to me that they went all out. They don't have bragging rights to outright power vs. LS3 but they are spotting the GM mill by 1.2L of displacement and in the N/A world that is a lot.
IMO this is the best pound for pound and dollar for dollar V8 Mustang ever. Styling subjectivness aside Ford addressed the only two areas that the GT was lacking in, Power and 6-speeds. One could say the lack of IRS is a shortcoming but those people probably don't plan to drag race.
IMO this is the best pound for pound and dollar for dollar V8 Mustang ever. Styling subjectivness aside Ford addressed the only two areas that the GT was lacking in, Power and 6-speeds. One could say the lack of IRS is a shortcoming but those people probably don't plan to drag race.
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Honestly though I can't see where a 295/30R20 is going to help the forward bite department. The overall contact patch is the same as the 285's, just stretched out a bit side to side.
Given some thought I can see where this would be handy in a dynamic state as the contact patch changes shape going through turns, but given that your only working with a 3" sidewall theres not much room for the tire to deform in a straight ahead direction.
As for 305's, I don't remeber anybody in the aftermarket runing tires that big. IIRC Roush used a 275 fore and aft on the S-197 and even the F-stock champ (Sam Strano???????) only ran a 295 (but that was on a stock 18 x 8.5 wheel again IIRC).