what i don't get is why so many of you dumb*asses are stuck in the 60's mantality of "the road has no curves"??

 

Well out where I live there arent many curves other than innersections... acutally theres far more potholes than curves... hence the pickup for a daily driver.

But 1st gen camaros had sales because of a wide variety of OPTIONS. make awd an option... then it satisfys both buyers and the sales are UP.

 

60's mentality? Get a life pal, I wasn't even born in the 60's.You think a RWD Corvette Z06 handles like #%#%# just cause its RWD? It actaully one of the best handling cars for sale today.

RWD takes skill, both in launching and in cornering.Late 80's IROCs even handled pretty damn well on a smooth surface and are pretty good in the corners.

If AWD is so great why aren't the best super cars in the world AWD? Mclaren, Enzo, F50, Porsche Cararea GT, Viper ect?

Because it is unessecary to have AWD to make a car handle

 

my implication wasn't that AWD is absolutely nessesary for cornering, but it does help out quite a bit. but my point is, i see a bunch of people on here yelling of how change of any kind is BAD if it happens to drop your 1/4 ET by 2 or 3 tenths. take IRS for instance. i'd be willing to bet there are more people who post on this site that would rather NOT have it in their car than to enjoy the stability it brings to the rear end in a corner. "HEY DON'T TAKE MY 1930'S TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE IT DROPS MY ET'S BY 2 TENTHS AND I'M TOO BLIND TO SEE ANYTHING BEYOND THAT!!!"

the 60's mentality is like popular culture. i mean you don't even have to be born in the 60's to get nastalgia if you inherited it from your pops or from watching dukes of hazard on TV or whatever. you don't even have to be from this country originally even. example, i know this indian guy who would kill to have a GNX.

i'm just tired of seeing everyone stuck in the same place for 30 odd years already. yes, the muscle car ear was glorious and lots of classics came out of it. but i say its time to start looking elsewhere for new legends and frankly 30+ years on, its time to start expecting a little bit more too.

bottome line, you want to go fast in a straight line? strap yourself to a rocket and enjoy. but straight ahead is only a PART of what the automobile is about.

 

Adding AWD would make the next gen Camaro more front heavy and have extra weight, which is bad for cornering.

I think and AWD option would be ok for the Camaro, I wouldn't get it over RWD. If it can bring in more sales then I guess I'd be ok with it.


I think the Current FWD cars should get AWD options first. (AWD Monte SS, Impala SS, and Cobalt SS would be cool)

 

yep and the biggest part at that.

Even in road racing... a car with an hp advantage is usually better than a car with a handling advantage. Why? even in road racing more of the course is straight line, than corners. If the track was all corners and nodda straights, then sure the better handler would win, but theres not too many tracks like that.

A good handling car is nothing amazing... honda civics handle good, and they do it for practically nothing... Straight line takes a lot more cash, and is a lot harder to achieve than good handling. Every other car handles good. However every other car does not run a 14 sec or less 1/4. There sure arent too many ways to test a cars handling around here either... I would never road race my car anyway... way too risky to lose control and there goes your car and possibly you. Once again though, to each his own.

same here... 1986.

 

you got it all backwards homie. acceleration (in a straight line no less) is just 1/4th of the equation.

and no, its not as easy as you think to make a car handle well, you obviously haven't tried. it can take months to get just the right setup...

hp on the other hand is all straight farward, just throw a bunch of cash at the engine and you're done. what's so remarcable about that???

 

I will agree 100% with these two statements....

This one, I do not agree with....

....because as you stated above, it is not as easy as you think, and getting serious ET out of something appears to be something you have never tried - though I admittedly do not know if you have or not.

 

motortrend has really fallen off the last 3 yrs or so. i used to be excited for the new one could come out now i couldnt be bothered to waste my money on one. very disappointed ex-customer

 

Wow, that GTO concept was terrible.

 

Hmmm, I guess it's bad that I'm one of the only one's that LIKE that concept?

 

you'd have a point there if i was actually talking about ETs. i wasn't. i was responding to the hp comment that "having top hp is paramount in road racing" and is somehow a more remarkable achievement. it isn't. road racing is all about how fast you can take a corner, not how quickly you can get down the straight. and i think my point is still valid. for the most part, $$$ in = hp out. its that simple. there's nothing remorkable about throwing money at a problem. suspention tuning is much more of an art. you can throw all the cash you want at top of the line suspension products, but unless they all work together doing what you want them to do they're just expensive parts "doing their own thing."

my original comment was that, at least to me, ETs aren't that worthy of a goal to be chacing anyway. i'd rather have a balanced car that did everything equally well than have one that still clung to the old big block formula of "top hp at all casts." going fast, isn't just about going fast in a straight line. its about stopping fast, its about cornering fast, its about having confidance and stability. its about doing EVERYTHING fast. no compromises. total balance.

the old muscle car formula has been done ad nausium. i mean really, aren't you guys getting tired of it? my question really is, why not set the bar a bit higher for a brand new vehicle in the 21st century?? what's so horrifying about expecting more??

 

You all do realize this drawing has nothing to do with the real 2007 GTO, right?

 

Looking at that picture, I think Caddilac, not Pontiac.

 

morb|d...as stated previously, I couldn't agree more that getting through a road course (or auto-x) is all about the corners (and braking), and much less about acceleration. But I would also suggest that those of us who are serious about drag racing still do quite a bit of work on the suspension. Not as much as your average road racer, and certainly not to the "artful" level, but still likely more than you may realize.

As for drag racing in general.....that is is how some of us get our rocks off, and to answer your question, no, I'm not tired of it, and probably never will be. Total balance is neat, but not what I'm after. And EVERYTHING you do to a car is a compromise. Everything.

Different strokes for different folks.