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Honda president says no need for RWD sedans

Old Jul 20, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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Honda president says no need for RWD sedans

http://www.motorauthority.com/honda-...wd-sedans.html
Front-wheel drive cars, no matter how well-engineered, are always a compromise when it comes to being fast. They do enjoy some advantages in terms of packaging and efficiency, however, and Honda's new president Takanobu Ito is firmly behind the continued absence of RWD cars in the company's lineup.

The move is especially curious with regard to the premium end of the market, where RWD sedans continue to dominate at brands like Mercedes-Benz, BMW and even Lexus. Still, Ito is sticking to his guns on the issue.

"It would be meaningless to emulate what other companies have been doing for more than five decades," Ito said of a front-engine, rear-drive car, according to an Automotive News report.

Instead, Ito wants to continue pushing into new territory in terms of packaging, technology and efficiency, with new engines and transmissions for its medium and large-sized sedans - especially hybrids. A first step in this direction was the announcement last fall of a manual transmission available in the SH-AWD 2010 Acura TL alongside a pair of new V6 engines.

This leaves Honda's premium Acura brand on similar ground to Audi, with front-drive sedans supplemented by AWD, though Acura hasn't fully embraced AWD the way Audi has with its quattro system.

Will Acura be able to compete against the upper echelon of the luxury market with primarily front-driven, highly-efficient sedans? Or is the dynamic advantage of RWD simply too important to overcome? Let us know in the comments section below.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 11:49 AM
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In the future, the most efficient electric cars will have motors in each wheel. So I really don't see what the big deal is.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
In the future, the most efficient electric cars will have motors in each wheel. So I really don't see what the big deal is.
I'm not sure if that was in jest or not, but it's not likely ... there's too many disadvantages to having wheel-mounted electric motors.

It's not surprising Honda would say that; they're far too invested in FWD technology. Of course, when they wanted to build a real driver's car (S2000), did they power it via the front wheels? As to their assertion about FWD's efficiency, well, if you have to make your large cars AWD to handle the power levels needed to compete with the big boys, then that pretty much throws that argument out the window. I'm not saying there isn't a market for premium FWD sedans; it's just not going to be the top of the market.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 04:05 PM
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I would think that the drive wheels won't be important to most Lexus, Acura, BMW or Mercedes buyers. It is more important to enthusiasts and car magazines.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 04:11 PM
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I'm not sure if that was in jest or not, but it's not likely ... there's too many disadvantages to having wheel-mounted electric motors.
It wasn't meant in jest. One advantage to wheel-mounted electric motors is better return on regenerative braking.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
In the future, the most efficient electric cars will have motors in each wheel. So I really don't see what the big deal is.

And to the 10-15% of the market that buys those cars, it probably won't matter.

But for the rest of us...
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
It wasn't meant in jest. One advantage to wheel-mounted electric motors is better return on regenerative braking.
I'm not sure why regen would be better with a motor in the hub vs. connected to a chassis-mounted motor via a halfshaft. But disadvantages including much higher unsprung weight; a limit to motor size and shape; difficulty of packaging brakes (plus isolating the heat they generate); and the very harsh, vibration-prone, wet, salty, and dusty environment inside the wheel.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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I'm not sure if that was in jest or not, but it's not likely ... there's too many disadvantages to having wheel-mounted electric motors.
I thought this was interesting, so I created a new thread to discuss it:

https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=700445
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 11:20 PM
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If your priorities are fuel economy and interior space then wrong wheel drive makes a lot of sense. For performance it sucks, which is why there has never been a wrong wheel drive sports car. If I was running Honda I would probably make the same decision, however. But I would allow a flagship with RWD to be developed when there is enough money to do so (like the cancelled S2000 replacement or NSX replacement).
Old Jul 21, 2009 | 08:42 AM
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Who cares what the Honda president thinks...
Old Jul 21, 2009 | 08:47 AM
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If honda was having sales issues due to lack of rwd sedans, that would be one thing. But it seems like they are doing just fine without them. Would be nice to see what the come out with, should they design a rwd platform (NSX doesn't count).
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