Holden Commodore = Pontiac G8 CONFIRMED
01-09-2007, 04:54 PM
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If I can get the preformance package with a healthy smooth V6 and a manual under $30k, with the nice multicolor interior, I will seriously consider that too..
Especialy _IF_, its got a good feel in the brakes, steering, shifter, suspension, transition movements, etc.
If GM can nail that formula down at a good price with good looks, I don't see why this car wouldn't sell out all at MSRP.
Especialy _IF_, its got a good feel in the brakes, steering, shifter, suspension, transition movements, etc.
If GM can nail that formula down at a good price with good looks, I don't see why this car wouldn't sell out all at MSRP.
01-09-2007, 05:35 PM
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There's also this, which still looks very Pontiac, but is not so worn out:
I really think this car demands some real visual identity from the G6/Grand Am/Grand Prix. The GTO got the "poncho nose" and look what happened.
01-09-2007, 05:42 PM
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Actually, they haven't always insisted on a "poncho nose":
There's also this, which still looks very Pontiac, but is not so worn out:
I really think this car demands some real visual identity from the G6/Grand Am/Grand Prix. The GTO got the "poncho nose" and look what happened.
There's also this, which still looks very Pontiac, but is not so worn out:
I really think this car demands some real visual identity from the G6/Grand Am/Grand Prix. The GTO got the "poncho nose" and look what happened.
01-09-2007, 05:52 PM
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....please just put the Pontiac arrowhead in the stock SS-V Holden bumper cover and just call it a day . Its looks sooooooooo good jus how it is . The Holden is a continent away , so jus completely 100% badge engineer this bioooootch 
01-09-2007, 09:11 PM
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Yea, I prefer the stock Holden fascia with the Pontiac emblem (lets try to get one that doesn't turn yellow in 6 months this time).
If they need a split grill I woould like to see hard lines, like the center section of the '65 line.
Useless info- the split grill came about in '59 (stemming from the silver streaks that went on the hood; single up to '54, dual in 55 and 56; none in 57and 58 thanks to Bunkie Knudsen trying to shed the grandpa image). The '59 Pontiac was very well received but the '60 pontiac did not have a split grill (and looked awesome) because it was too late to change it. from '61 on everything had a split grill of some sort- except for the Fiero which had a single opening for some reason. LT-1 T/A's didn't really have a grill but definitley had a line down the center.
I SAID it was useless information....
If they need a split grill I woould like to see hard lines, like the center section of the '65 line.
Useless info- the split grill came about in '59 (stemming from the silver streaks that went on the hood; single up to '54, dual in 55 and 56; none in 57and 58 thanks to Bunkie Knudsen trying to shed the grandpa image). The '59 Pontiac was very well received but the '60 pontiac did not have a split grill (and looked awesome) because it was too late to change it. from '61 on everything had a split grill of some sort- except for the Fiero which had a single opening for some reason. LT-1 T/A's didn't really have a grill but definitley had a line down the center.
I SAID it was useless information....
01-09-2007, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Lutz
While the GTO program might not have fulfilled all our hopes and dreams in terms of profitability, it did break the ice on global programs.
With the GTO we made a bit of a mistake.
The deterioration in profitability through the appreciation of the Australian dollar, we passed on to the customer.
It gets to be an oxygen-deprived environment. This time we're going to try very hard to keep the vehicle in the mid-$20,000s.
With the GTO we made a bit of a mistake.
The deterioration in profitability through the appreciation of the Australian dollar, we passed on to the customer.
It gets to be an oxygen-deprived environment. This time we're going to try very hard to keep the vehicle in the mid-$20,000s.
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01-10-2007, 12:28 AM
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01-10-2007, 01:23 AM
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Well, I think the idea behind the classic Pontiac snout was to have an "arrowhead" point on it. The grille details were secondary and often varied.
It was only in the mid 80s that they switched over to the kidneys grille (with no point) and even that wasn't totally universal until the late 90s. (Early 90s Grand Prix, mid-90s Bonnevile had normal grilles.)
It was only in the mid 80s that they switched over to the kidneys grille (with no point) and even that wasn't totally universal until the late 90s. (Early 90s Grand Prix, mid-90s Bonnevile had normal grilles.)
01-10-2007, 01:27 AM
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01-10-2007, 05:28 AM
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If the GTO had to sell in the low $30,000s to have a chance at profitibility, how can the Commodore, 4 years later, with a 40% stronger dollar, and a likely more expense car to build, hope to sell for less? I suppose a V6 model would help a little, although the HFV6 is not any cheaper to build than an LSx, and the article specifically mentioned the Commodore SS.
01-10-2007, 06:41 AM
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That's what I don't get. When the GTO program was conceived the Australian dollar was somewhere between 50 and 60 cents. Now it's around 80 cents.
If the GTO had to sell in the low $30,000s to have a chance at profitibility, how can the Commodore, 4 years later, with a 40% stronger dollar, and a likely more expense car to build, hope to sell for less? I suppose a V6 model would help a little, although the HFV6 is not any cheaper to build than an LSx, and the article specifically mentioned the Commodore SS.
If the GTO had to sell in the low $30,000s to have a chance at profitibility, how can the Commodore, 4 years later, with a 40% stronger dollar, and a likely more expense car to build, hope to sell for less? I suppose a V6 model would help a little, although the HFV6 is not any cheaper to build than an LSx, and the article specifically mentioned the Commodore SS.
We pay more for our cars in Australia, not because of economies of scale IMO, but because our perception of value is lower than that of the US consumer... in other words we are prepared to pay more for the same item, and hence, vendors are prepared to charge more.
When is colonial Australia going to break itself free from Mother England?!?!?
01-10-2007, 07:00 AM
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That's what I keep telling people who care to listen to my logical reason... why do a pair of Levi denim jeans cost $US30 and we Aussies must fork out $AU130?
We pay more for our cars in Australia, not because of economies of scale IMO, but because our perception of value is lower than that of the US consumer... in other words we are prepared to pay more for the same item, and hence, vendors are prepared to charge more.
When is colonial Australia going to break itself free from Mother England?!?!?
We pay more for our cars in Australia, not because of economies of scale IMO, but because our perception of value is lower than that of the US consumer... in other words we are prepared to pay more for the same item, and hence, vendors are prepared to charge more.
When is colonial Australia going to break itself free from Mother England?!?!?
