Just to be specific:

'05-07 GT Curb Weight: 3483-3518 lbs(coupe), 3614-3658 lbs(convertible)

AFAIK, a stripper LS1 Z28 hardtop is a fair bit less than 3483 -- like 3300-3350. I assume that the low end of the given range is the weight of a stripper Mustang GT, so I think that's a fair comparison.

So if ~150 pounds heavier qualifies as "almost exactly the same," then yeah.

Of course, I could be off on the weight of a Z28.

 

Or it could be that the Mustang guys tend to show some class and don't troll the GM sites saying that F-bodies suck, they are slow, etc. like the GM guys do on that site.

 

The slower guys always seem classier, because if they went around trolling the faster guys' sites and saying stuff like that, they'd be wrong.

 

I dunno. They really do seem a little bit odd over there? Heck, you'd have to be to be such a loyal supporter of the always slower car!!
That's probably more like it!!

And in all fairness, with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 individuals, none of the Camaro/Corvette guys (even their own Mustang guys!) were bashing the GT500 just for the sake of bashing it . They were simply pointing out the fact that it doesn't seem like very good results for the mods, or very good value considering the initial cost of the car alone!!

Like if someone took an LS1, did some suspension tweaking, intake/exhaust, TIRES, long-tubes, and oh, I don't know, maybe a camshaft? (I'm trying to come up with ~$2500 worth of bolt-ons, but ran out of ideas) and they only ran a ~mid-high 12 with the car, I think people would be wondering WTF is up with that!! And considering they're saying that they've been hard pressed to get STOCK GT500's into the 12's!!! Hell, I'll race one today with my LS1!!!

 

Oh yeah, because Mustang guys NEVER troll GM sites, ever.

I'm not sure how anybody can make such a generalization with a straight face...

 

Only on the internet, of course.

 

Damn, you guys are uptight! IT WAS A JOKE!! Of course there are Mustang guys that troll GM sites and vice versa. I didn't say it NEVER happens.

The comment was made of how strict the mods are on svt forums and its because they seem to get A LOT of "other" brand owners that troll the site. They have to be strict or the site would be out of control.

 

If that thread had started on the Corral, everyone there would have bashed the times, mods and driving.

 

Dude.....You're using one of the quickest ever to compare to probably the stupidly slowest ever. Don't get me wrong - I'm not impressed with the stock or nearly-stock GT500 times reported so far (no doubt due to pulling around 2 tons+ of mass). However, the car is significantly quicker than an LS1 F-body. Its likely going to end up being within a tick or two of a 2002-2004 Z06. Give it time.

Yes you are, but no big deal. The motor doesn't necessarily have to have pushrods to be light - its mainly the blower/hardware and iron block that makes the thing so stupidely heavy.

100 lbs lighter than a GT500? Lord I hope so - I hope a lot more, as that would still put the thing at 3800+. 100 lbs lighter than a "normal" 3500 lb Mustang GT? Don't bet on that, but I suppose we can hope.

That isn't at all what I was referring to, but its not important. I'll try to be clearer next time.


Bob

 

The worst one yet:

 

Holy sh*t.


*edit-it is nice that they included the destination and delivery charges in with that.

 

Wow, I can't believe i'm about to say this but, my 5 year old daughter is more mature then some of those moderators. I read through it all and when somebody gives an opinion that isn't with the establishment, well they're banned. It's pathetic, and it makes me that much more thankful to be on this site.

 

you should see the other thread entitled "LS1/GM nutswingers in here"

 

IMO, that site has regularly been very quick to ban folks that are not toeing whatever line is expected.

I suppose the same objections or complaints about certain aspects of a car can get "old" for some folks... The moderator on that section is over the top rude, when it's not necessary, from my reading. I have pretty vast experience with car based websites. Banning folks and writing about how enjoyable banning them is not what I would define as etiquette... or netiquette.

I figure we are not on this planet to make enemies... We acquire enemies without any effort of our own. There's no future in working on alienating people. At least there is none for me.

I have a feeling the other thread over there, mentioned in an earlier post over here, was opened there as a way to "sort of" allow for dissenting opinions on the "Shelby" 'stang. Sadly... it appears to also take delight in insulting any that choose to comment to the negative about the GT 500. I don't see what the positive purpose is for doing so, if that's what was intended.

There's the avenue e-mail and private messaging to warn or ban folks...I've always felt one is better off praising folks in public and coaching them in private. It's just golden rule courtesy.

Why not erase an offending post rather than remove the "offending" person's text while adding a snide comment that someone has the power to do so? Would it not be better to erase a post and quote a forum rule in place of the offending post?

The internet is NOT a democracy, but it doesn't have to be to be rewarding. The internet can be a fun and friendly place. Debate is not to be avoided at all costs, particularly when bench racing. We are on an example that proves it's possible. We have it good here!

This site is well run, well populated, and well moderated. It is not an easy thing to accomplish in some instances, I would believe. I'm impressed, for whatever that is worth.

I figure we GM fans are better off for having our corrner of the net as opposed to what appears to be put forth in some of the threads elsewhere .

 

In case it was not mentioned here (I did not read through all the pages), the car has a FULL suspension.

Here is what was posted by Evolution Performance:

The only other mods are the front brakes, 4.10 gears and Suspension Pieces (BMR Prototype Stuff) Anti-Rollbar, Lower Control Arms, Lower Control Arm Relocation Brackets, Panhard Bar, Panhard Brace, 3rd Link. Struts, Shocks, Springs, 4" Aluminum Driveshaft, Chrome Moly Roll Cage, Cobra Racing Seats!

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=315793

Of course it is runnong on lightweight Bogart wheels (slicks or DR's and skinnies) as well.

Make no mistake, this is a full out track car and we will have to wait for actual owners to start modding before we can determine what to expect on the street.